Ron Paul's potential problem with the General "Betray-us" Report

[Shellshock1918]

Betray-Us is a Bush stooge...hired to portray a rosy picture of a senseless bloodbath that is bleeding bankrupting our nation.

Uniforms do not command respect in my book...it's whats behind the uniform.

And obviously you have no idea what is behind the uniform.

You really need to keep your disrespect to yourself, its not very becoming of you to be insulting Generals. In fact, it really just shows your ignorance. You really should shut up now.

 

[constituent]

bump.

 

[axiomata]

General "Betray-us"

Almost as creative as MoveOn are we?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, I don't so much like us calling a general a name like this, much less one that was coined by a group like "moveon.org". I personally find it disgusting.

 

[American]

The playing field isnt fare, our political system isnt fare, the media isnt fare. Do whatever you can to level the playing field.

betray-us name will work wonders with the Democrats..

 

[ThePieSwindler]

Like Ron said on the sept 5th debate, all this troop movement is irrelevant; it is the overarching foreign policy that is the issue. The surge may be "working" in that it is accomplishing the objective of killing some iraqi insurgents, but these objectives are all menial and pointless in the grand scheme of the entire war. Petraeus is just following orders fromt he CiC, Bush. No need to resort to bashing him, or then they can use the "hate the troops liberals" arguement against us, and paint the debate as being black and white even though its not. We must not resort to the behaviors of certain liberal groups, even if our aims are the same (well not really... our aim as true conservatves and ron paulites is to end interventionism and end the war for real, moveon.org etc's aim is to give bush as much blame as possible and take down the republican party even though the democratic party is failing just as miserably).

 

[Kuldebar]

Irreverence for authority is a very traditional American value. A less than worshipful stance against public figures is part and parcel to remaining vigilant against those who hold power.

As I said before, Generals are one change of clothes away from being politicians.

The Troops Also Need to Support the American People

 

[American]

This should be a good time to start working on the Democrats......

Biden: Petraeus ‘dead flat wrong’ on Iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20676775/

 

[Kuldebar]

Even if the Surge was working/is working; we should not be there or stay there.

I can break into your house and make a mean omelet in your kitchen, doesn't make what I am doing a good thing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Please Let This Thread Die

I wouldn't post this, but since this thread is already at the top...

PLEASE let this be the last post in this thread. With the O'Reilly appearance coming up tonight, the last thing we need an O'Reilly viewer to see is a Ron Paul supporter calling one of our generals the same name that moveon.org does. I find it disgusting and I am quite sure they will too.

PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE.

 

[Thunderbolt]

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[Kuldebar]

Troop blogs show increasing criticism of war

The Army has said winning the information war is necessary to win the ground war. Insurgents agree. Tributes to Saddam Hussein are uploaded to YouTube, along with alleged film showing attacks on convoys. Some caught in the middle post their travails. The Army also uploads videos. In many cases it is impossible to verify or even identify who the source is, and it must be taken with a grain of digital salt.

In April, the Army announced new rules on blogging that required soldiers to clear them with a superior. Access to MySpace and some other popular Web sites was blocked. The Army said it was not trying to stop soldiers from speaking their mind, however. And so far, some of them have been.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Guys, can we just let this thread die down until tomorrow? You know, AFTER we get smacked with a bunch of O'Reilly visitors? Is this the thread that we want them to see first, when they're trying to find out more about Ron Paul?

Please think about it and let this thread die down.

 

[Original_Intent]

Whether Petraeus is a patriot or not, we should do better than make a play on words of his name. Doing stuff like that of political opponents like GHOULiani and FLIP Romney is one thing - but if we cannot bring up better arguments than to mangle his name into a joke it is time for us to give it up.

Now personally, I think that he is going to say whatever Bush tells him to say, and i also think that General's are not necessarily the experts on measuring political progress. So have him report on military progress, but I think whatever he has to say about Iraq's political progress is, well, irrelevant. And no, that is not an original idea on my part, I have seen plenty of posts/blogs that make the same point.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh great... JUST GREAT... They're talking about the moveon.org "betray us" ad on TV right now. What the hell are we doing? Following the .. how to run off any and all potential Republican voters? Just dandy!!!

Will someone please change the name of this thread?

 

[Kuldebar]

Guys, can we just let this thread die down until tomorrow? You know, AFTER we get smacked with a bunch of O'Reilly visitors? Is this the thread that we want them to see first, when they're trying to find out more about Ron Paul?

Please think about it and let this thread die down.

You really think persuading people to support Ron Paul can be achieved by hiding things like free and open discussion?

You feel you have to manage and manipulate the voices of others in order to entice people to think as you would like them to do?

Is honesty of expression a poor policy to follow in intellectual discourse?


I reject methods of human interaction that rely on subterfuge, dissembling or facades. When I was in the military stationed over seas, the base commander had the walls of base housing that faced the main road from the air terminal freshly painted so that a visiting General would be able to see a nice looking housing area. Additionally, the tennis court was resurfaced, the General was an avid tennis player, after all.

Yet, the Bachelor Quarters were out of toilet paper.

I want grown-up thinking individuals to wake up to the idea that ideas are free to express. Hiding things is not a way to understanding, it's an obstacle.

 

[LibertyEagle]

1. This thread is NOT about Ron Paul. So, it doesn't even belong in Ron Paul News.
2. I could care less what you discuss or believe, but if you do so in RON PAUL NEWS, you are associating Ron Paul with it.

Now, if you cannot understand this and further do not understand that Republicans coming here after Ron's appearance on O'Reilly tonight, will run off screaming when they see the very same insult about Petraeus, as was put out in an ad, by none other than moveon.org, well then, I can't help you.

Ron Paul's campaign does not deserve having this BS paraded out in front of the world and introduced as RON PAUL NEWS. I guess this is just a switch off from Max posting 911 conspiracy theory BS in Ron Paul News.

 

[Kuldebar]

Like it, or not, despite the source, the ad has substance:

 

[Bossobass]

There may not be a written report, but he's sure as hell reading from a written statement to Congress.

Anyone who believes that they're gonna get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from this guy needs to contact me about some swampland I have for sale in New Jersey.

I especially like the 'progress' report regarding going after Al Qaeda during 'the last 6 months'.

What have they been doing the previous 4 years?

"...innumerable obstacles remain..." "...will allow draw down of surge troops in the months ahead..." "...on a less encouraging note...the extent of Iran's involvement...something that Iraqi officials and we share concern about..."

Change a few proper nouns and this is Westmoreland talking about VietNam.

I got news...if Ron Paul isn't elected, we will NEVER leave Iraq.

General Windowdressing (since he's gambling with my life savings, future earnings and retirement funds I'll call him whatever pleases me, thank you) is offering a best-case scenario of drawing down on the surge troops in a number of months. Anyone guess what that means in English?

Bosso

 

[American]

1. This thread is NOT about Ron Paul. So, it doesn't even belong in Ron Paul News.
2. I could care less what you discuss or believe, but if you do so in RON PAUL NEWS, you are associating Ron Paul with it.

Now, if you cannot understand this and further do not understand that Republicans coming here after Ron's appearance on O'Reilly tonight, will run off screaming when they see the very same insult about Petraeus, as was put out in an ad, by none other than moveon.org, well then, I can't help you.

Ron Paul's campaign does not deserve having this BS paraded out in front of the world and introduced as RON PAUL NEWS. I guess this is just a switch off from Max posting 911 conspiracy theory BS in Ron Paul News.

You want some tissue or something, a cookie, what?

Are you a moderator on this board, I think you made your point now STFU, kthxbye