Ron Paul's potential problem with the General "Betray-us" Report

[max]

We don't need this propaganda calling a U.S. General "Betray-us" Regardless of your personal beliefs, it doesn't play well in politics. It hurts Ron Paul and the freedom movement.

If you dont call a spade a spade these thugs will steam roll you. General Betray-us is a fraud and the moniker fits.

Just remember this, it was our reverence of the "great" Colin Powell that permitted him to stage that dog and pony show at the UN...that mendacious spectale that got us into this war.

Had people had the balls to have called Powell a media hyped phony when he first came on the scene, his endorsement of the war would not have carried the weight which it did. But of course, calling Powell for what he was would not have "played well".

The same for General Betray-Us. He is being portrayed as the 2nd coming of General Macarthur. You want to show him respect out of fear of "hurting Ron Paul"?...well, when he unveils his fraud next week, and when we find ourselves still at war 5...10...15 years from now,...then come lecture me about "my personal beliefs not playing well."

 

[Cowlesy]

Ugh, no no no. Colin Powell admitted on national television that he totally fucked up. If he was a shill he'd still be Secretary of State. The guy fucked up. Everyone is so quick to judge General Petraeus---frankly I hope he succeeds! I also expect that he will be independent and report what should be reported.


Look I know everyone wants to think the entire world is against us, but let's all have some professional skepticism--whether you're a gov't-is-against-us-all, floating-in-them-middle or a big-brother-is-our-best-friend citizen.

 

[Prez4TheNet]

Ugh, no no no. Colin Powell admitted on national television that he totally fucked up. If he was a shill he'd still be Secretary of State. The guy fucked up. Everyone is so quick to judge General Petraeus---frankly I hope he succeeds! I also expect that he will be independent and report what should be reported.


Look I know everyone wants to think the entire world is against us, but let's all have some professional skepticism--whether you're a gov't-is-against-us-all, floating-in-them-middle or a big-brother-is-our-best-friend citizen.

I agree, lets not disparage men in uniform who are just doing their duty. Thats just wrong.

 

[max]

Ugh, no no no. Colin Powell admitted on national television that he totally fucked up. If he was a shill he'd still be Secretary of State. The guy fucked up. Everyone is so quick to judge General Petraeus---frankly I hope he succeeds! I also expect that he will be independent and report what should be reported.


Look I know everyone wants to think the entire world is against us, but let's all have some professional skepticism--whether you're a gov't-is-against-us-all, floating-in-them-middle or a big-brother-is-our-best-friend citizen.

How could Powell have been that stupid? There was a TON of evidence that saddam had no WMD's..

Remember Scott Ritter? Remember Hans Blix? Remember Saddams open invitation to have US Conngresman come in and visit anywhjere they like without announcing beforehand?

I have ZERO respect for Powell's character....but I have great respect for his intelligence...I just dont buy that he was duped by that "Yellowcake" nonsense

 

[Kuldebar]

Political Generals (are there any other type anymore?) are a change of clothes away from being politicians.

Remember this, it will serve you well.

 

[max]

I agree, lets not disparage men in uniform who are just doing their duty. Thats just wrong.

"men in uniform"...the generals that is....are political appointees...

What makes you think that a military man is incapable of having the same careerist ambitions as a politician?...

A liar is a liar...whether he wears an Armani suit...or a General's uniform

 

[Cowlesy]

I'll vote for Ron Paul no matter what and I do believe there is a Globalist group-think that is apologized for by the pursuit of profit that they think benefits us all...but I refuse to say every single one of these people who were in a place of power were part of some massive conspiracy.

I listened to Powell say he should have listened to his people better the day before he went to the U.N. and gave that speech. I think it's all hung around his neck and he will and is being judged for it accordingly.

 

[ape]

The " surge " is working you say, Bill O'tool? Iraq has almost 70% unemployment ( may be better now, those are july figures ) and the government can't even function. Enough said, our soliders aren't police officers. If this comes up on O'reilly RP should easily be able to gut that clown. Facts are facts.

 

[max]

The " surge " is working you say, Bill O'tool? Iraq has almost 70% unemployment ( may be better now, those are july figures ) and the government can't even function. Enough said, our soliders aren't police officers. If this comes up on O'reilly, RP should easily be able to tool that clown. Facts are facts.

LOL...the unemployment surge!

 

[ape]

LOL...the unemployment surge!

I know I would be blowing shit up if an occupying force was dictating to our countrys government and our country had 70% unemployment.. How many private contractors are in Iraq again? The Iraqis must love the view of that embassy and all the foreigners constructing it while they sit around unemployed.

 

[synthetic]

If theres someone close to campaign....they should remind RP of what he said so he can manuever around this if the MSM replays the clip. It could be used against him.

Paul doesn't have to agree with a White House filtered report. Iraqi civilian casualties in August were at least 1,807. The surge is being bypassed while the civil war continues. Bush has been playing the same wack-a-mole game for years.

 

[Shellshock1918]

General Betray-Us credibility .

Excuse me, but do not insult the soldiers like that ever again. That was totally immature and uncalled for. Petraeus is a patriot who is dedicated to his job. That was completely disrespectful and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[max]

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Excuse me, but do not insult the soldiers like that ever again. That was totally immature and uncalled for. Petraeus is a patriot who is dedicated to his job.

Betray-Us is a Bush stooge...hired to portray a rosy picture of a senseless bloodbath that is bleeding bankrupting our nation.

Uniforms do not command respect in my book...it's whats behind the uniform.

 

[Bean]

There is other information out there about the level of progress besides the Petraeus report - namely, the GAO report. It's pretty obvious that the Petraeus report is going to be full of mixed messages (i.e. it's working, but not as fast as we would have liked).

I think the Patraeus report won't be mixed messages so much as concluding that the surge is working and we should continue down that path. As someone said earlier, there is NO WAY he is going to be objective about reporting on the results of a policy and plan that was his baby; the whole troop surge was his idea.

 

[ronpaulitician]

In the first or second debate RP said...

"If they (Petraues and company) report in September that there's been no progress, then we should leave." (paraphrase)

He didn't add, "On the other hand, if there has been progress, we should stay!" did he?

 

[max]

He didn't add, "On the other hand, if there has been progress, we should stay!" did he?

no...but thats the inference that the media may spin out of it...

regardless, we need to stop placing polticaly appointed military leaders on such pedastals...reeks of facsism...

 

[Brandybuck]

I said it before that it doesn't matter if we make progress or not, or even if we win or not. This isn't about winning, it's about morality. The huge mistake the left has made is in betting their farm that the war cannot be won. We must not make that same mistake. This war is immoral regardless of our progress. It is not in our national interest, regardless of our progress.

 

[scipio337]

Betray-Us is a Bush stooge...hired to portray a rosy picture of a senseless bloodbath that is bleeding bankrupting our nation.

Uniforms do not command respect in my book...it's whats behind the uniform.

He has the respect of the men serving under him. You know, the ones sacrificing in the "senseless bloodbath", and that's enough for me. Ad hominem adds nothing to your argument.

There won't be a rosy report, every commission under the sun has stated there isn't a military solution to the situation. The GOA and the report today showing Iraqis couldn't handle their own security until at least a year from now will overshadow the temporary gains of the "Surge".

 

[apropos]

Realistically, there will be achievements and failures when Petraus comes to report. While the advantages will be pumped up by Bush and Co. - tamer regions, lower attacks over the course of the surge - anti-war foes will give the failures air time. This includes rife corruption in the police force, to the point that one report asked that the force be dissolved and rebuilt. Iraq has also missed 11 of the 18 of the political benchmarks set up to be accomplished. Paul will have plenty of ammunition to use after the report, but he have a continued hard time with those who don't want convincing.

 

[Chernitsky]

There won't be a report.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/07/no-petraeus-report/