Ron Paul Will Win the Presidency For Republicans

[bluesc]

The personality cult in this thread is getting Kim Jong Illish.

What's that I smell? Defeatist?

 

[69360]

What's that I smell? Defeatist?

Hardly.

All these people saying I won't vote for Ron if he gets policy concessions and takes a VP spot are.

 

[bluesc]

Hardly.

All these people saying I won't vote for Ron if he gets policy concessions and takes a VP spot are.

That isn't a cult of personality. It's usually either:

1) Them not wanting to associate libertarianism with Romney failures, or
2) Not being able to vote for someone that will continue the killing of innocent people

Not that I agree with them.

 

[fatjohn]

I don't see how Romney/Paul would win without / Paul supporters.

Paul supporters would vote for it. Just not all the diehards that post at RPF, which is a very small sample of the electorate. NOBP isn´t going to cut it.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Remember, in the Bible Joseph was placed as number 2 in Egypt and did an amazing amount of good because of his influence on the Pharoah. He was even able to save the lives of his brothers and do good things for his people.

I'd rather have him in the #2 spot than disappear from the limelight. Sorry.

Please do factor the reality of the nature of the position of Vice President into your opinions. The Vice President is not "the number two" in terms of power, influence, authority, or any other measure. Except for if you're anticipating the assassination or in-office death of the President. Outside of that scenario, the Vice President of the United States is very close to being an utterly powerless figurehead.

 

[69360]

Please do factor the reality of the nature of the position of Vice President into your opinions. The Vice President is not "the number two" in terms of power, influence, authority, or any other measure. Except for if you're anticipating the assassination or in-office death of the President. Outside of that scenario, the Vice President of the United States is very close to being an utterly powerless figurehead.

Hardly. Cheney was arguably more powerful than Bush. Nixon had a lot of power duties and influence as VP.

If Romney wanted to win and made policy concessions to get Ron on the ticket, you can be damn sure Ron would be involved and the threat of Ron speaking out publicly would keep Romney in line.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Hardly. Cheney was arguably more powerful than Bush. Nixon had a lot of power duties and influence as VP.

Cheney and Nixon were already firmly planted within the establishment by the time they entered the White House, thus having political influence. Next.

 

[jmdrake]

Hardly.

All these people saying I won't vote for Ron if he gets policy concessions and takes a VP spot are.

That's kinda the opposite of a personality cult. It's more of a principle cult if anything. A personality cult would say "Hey! Our guy is close to the Whitehouse! Let's vote for him even if it seems like he's betrayed everything we believe in." A principle cult say "Ya know? As much as I like Ron Paul....him siding with slick Mitt is just too much". Seriously, if Ron Paul did compromise, those who voted for the compromise ticket would be giving in largely based on support of the Paul personality similar to Palin fans who didn't like McCain voting for him anyway because she was on the ticket. I guess I'm a bit of a personality cultist because part of me would still want to trust Ron Paul and consider voting for the ticket despite my instincts on principle.

 

[pfosse]

Hardly. Cheney was arguably more powerful than Bush. Nixon had a lot of power duties and influence as VP.

If Romney wanted to win and made policy concessions to get Ron on the ticket, you can be damn sure Ron would be involved and the threat of Ron speaking out publicly would keep Romney in line.

This^^^^

If you think Romney could get away with breaking a pledge to Dr. Paul, you haven't been paying attention. Dr. Paul may be kind and gentle, but he can be very blunt also. Romney would be foolish to think he could keep Dr. Paul quiet. It would be a great accomplishment to get Dr. Paul as VP (not that we don't want the Presidency), but I think we could do a lot from the VP's office. Romney didn't make the kind of money he has made by being stupid. He might even listen to the good doctor once he got into office. It's a longshot. 25% chance that Romney would listen, but if we don't win the nomination, our other options are 3rd party or work for Obama so Rand has a clear shot at 2016. I see huge risks with either of those (3rd party everything is stacked against you and helping Obama means you think we will still have a country to lead in 2016). Obviously, I'd rather work my butt off and win this thing.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Hardly. Cheney was arguably more powerful than Bush. Nixon had a lot of power duties and influence as VP.

If Romney wanted to win and made policy concessions to get Ron on the ticket, you can be damn sure Ron would be involved and the threat of Ron speaking out publicly would keep Romney in line.

That's assuming the President wants the VP to have power, and willingly and freely shares the power which belongs to him and him alone with the VP.

If the President does not want such a thing, he can instead delegate duties to and take advice from others more palatable to him. The VP is given virtually no power in the Constitution.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

compromise is always in the benefit of evil.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Why is this labeled "news" when it is nothing more then an opinion piece?

Romney/Paul ticket will never happen. He is right, the GOP will not win without Ron Paul, and he needs to be the nominee or Obama gets another 4 years. Its just that simple.

No One But Paul

This ain't a Cult of Personality. I wouldn't vote for a Romney/Paul OR a Paul/Romney.

paul/romney would be physically dangerous for paul.

No way in hell I would vote for that.

Sorry.

I don't see how Romney/Paul would win without / Paul supporters.

In Romney vs. Obama, which side are Goldman, JP Morgan, Citibank and Bank of America on?

Come on folks, we know this script. As soon as we are no longer "dangerous", we may as well no longer exist.

Wouldn't vote unless Paul had the reigns.

No slingballs.
I agree with that.

They didn't buy off Romney to have him sitting behind Paul. Not gonna happen...

There is no way in hell that Romney would pick Paul as VP. You guys have more faith in Romney than he deserves. The MSM is trying to brainwash people into thinking that Romney and Paul are better friends than they truly are. Even if Romney wanted to pick Paul, do you think the powers that be would allow Ron to be the VP possibility, when they are fighting tooth and nail to remove Ron from the equation?

I wouldn't support it. And I can't believe Dr.Paul would accept a position on the same ticket with a warmonger.

If Ron Paul were to accept a VP spot from any of the candidates remaining, I would come to the conclusion that I was incorrect about my support for Ron Paul. That would be one of the worst things he could do in my opinion.

If Paul picks Romney as his VP I will loath the man and regret all the time and energy I've put into this revolution. I will go into a deeper state of apathy than I've ever been. Ron Paul teaming up with Romney would devastate me even more than his assassination.

I do not believe it is possible. If it happens, I will go fucking insane.

Actually, yes.

Paul teaming up with Romney would DESTROY the movement. All awakening, all progress, everything... out the fucking window.

This is NOT about Ron Paul.

It's about the message.

Do we want the message to be this?

LIBERTY OR... WELL... NO LIBERTY. I DON'T MIND!

I don't think it would lead to anything. At all. It would not bridge a gap between the GOP and a freedom movement. At all.

It would maintain the status quo. Period.

Ron Paul would be a sell out.

We would be fools.

Ron Paul, and his son Rand Paul would lose all credit amongst people like me.

Game over. Establishment wins.

If Ron Paul is in any way affiliated with Romney's campaign beyond... economic adviser... delete my account, forget I've been here, and good fucking luck.

I wouldn't vote for a Romney/Paul ticket. I don't think most Paul supporters would. I would vote for a Paul/Romney ticket, but I can't see Dr. Paul doing something that stupid.

Careful, that sounds like a classic case of lesser-of-two-evils to me. Might wanna get that checked out.

Why are we here again? What are we fighting for?

Ron Paul as VP doesn't accomplish anything! What powers does VP have? What could he accomplish when Romney disagrees with everything Ron believes in. All this is mute anyway since these two would never join together.

You get real. Do you actually think Romney would allow Paul to make any worthwhile decisions regarding economics, foreign policy, or civil liberties when they don't agree on any of these issues? All this talk is just positioning Romney to appear more electable. Seeing as how he as some of the Paul supporters hook, line, & sinker, his plan is working. How pathetic.

People have gravitated to Paul because he refused to compromise on his principles. Paul joining a ticket with Romney would throw all of that out the window and ruin everything that we have worked for. Even if Paul were to communicate a somewhat libertarian message as VP, how is that going to resonate with the public when Romney and his Bush 2.0 administration refuse to act on his wishes? All this does is make Paul look like a sellout, plain & simple.

Matt, I agree with your posts in this thread. IMO it's more important to focus on the movement. Paul is the catalyst, not the end-all -- it's not all or nothing with him. The movement continues onward...

Just more media mental masturbation.

Now for what would actually happen...

Libertarianism would forever be linked with Mitt Romney and would die a pathetic, deserved death.

Paul is never going to do that. Ever. He knows how much support he would lose.

A Romney/Paul (Ron anyway) ticket would never happen. I think Paul has to much integrity for that. But even if it didn't they still wouldn't win. I will never vote for Romney or Santorum or Gingtrich who the VP is matters nothing to me and I would wager most of Paul's supporters would say likewise. And I know no indy's will vote for him as Romney and Obama might as well be mirror (at least politically) images of each other and they will just vote for the scumbag thats already in power. Thats why only Paul stands a chance to win this for the GOP. He is the only one that can make a clear contrast to Obama that will draw not only indy's that voted for him in 08 but even some disenfranchised libs that would never vote for a Republican not named Paul. The GOP would rather have Obama as Paul because that exactly what they are doing when they vote or hype any of the others.

Then you don't know who owns Romney.

What's that I smell? Defeatist?

That isn't a cult of personality. It's usually either:

1) Them not wanting to associate libertarianism with Romney failures, or
2) Not being able to vote for someone that will continue the killing of innocent people

Not that I agree with them.

Please do factor the reality of the nature of the position of Vice President into your opinions. The Vice President is not "the number two" in terms of power, influence, authority, or any other measure. Except for if you're anticipating the assassination or in-office death of the President. Outside of that scenario, the Vice President of the United States is very close to being an utterly powerless figurehead.

That's kinda the opposite of a personality cult. It's more of a principle cult if anything. A personality cult would say "Hey! Our guy is close to the Whitehouse! Let's vote for him even if it seems like he's betrayed everything we believe in." A principle cult say "Ya know? As much as I like Ron Paul....him siding with slick Mitt is just too much". Seriously, if Ron Paul did compromise, those who voted for the compromise ticket would be giving in largely based on support of the Paul personality similar to Palin fans who didn't like McCain voting for him anyway because she was on the ticket. I guess I'm a bit of a personality cultist because part of me would still want to trust Ron Paul and consider voting for the ticket despite my instincts on principle.

compromise is always in the benefit of evil.

NOBP

If it isn't Paul then let's show them our strength by killing the GOP in General Election!

VP is a USELESS position & these fricking Romney-bots need to banned

This is NOT a personality-cult for us to follow the leader, this is about PRINCIPLES, about NOT playing Washington-games of expediency & compromise, & if Paul wavers from it then he can forget about the support, which is why he'll NEVER do it!

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."
-John Adams on vice-presidency

 

[JohnM]

Ah, yes. Compromise. Dirty word.

Truth number 1. Ron Paul has a 30 year record in Congress of not compromising. Washington never changed him.

Truth number 2. Everyone compromises. Politics is the art of the possible, and nobody ever gets anywhere in politics unless they are prepared to compromise.

Both truths are true. Ron Paul has compromised on lots of things. Politics is a game, and he has played it cleverly and successfully. But he has never compromised on basic principles. He is not just principled - he is also smart, otherwise he never would have won the 1996 election. Ron Paul's track record shows that he knows when to compromise and when to say "No". (Most of the time, of course, he does the latter.)

Now, the fact of the matter is that it is extremely unlikely that Ron Paul would be offered the VP slot on the ticket.

And it is even more unlikely that he would accept it.

But if both of these extremely unlikely events were to take place, I think that it would be pretty foolish not to support such a ticket.

 

[PolicyReader]

I don't see how Romney/Paul would win without / Paul supporters.

That's why it would have to be Paul/Romney or Paul/anyone else

In Romney vs. Obama, which side are Goldman, JP Morgan, Citibank and Bank of America on?

Come on folks, we know this script. As soon as we are no longer "dangerous", we may as well no longer exist.

Wouldn't vote unless Paul had the reigns.

The above covers this and all other articles/threads cut from the same cloth.

Beyond the above, can we please focus the talk on Grassroots Central getting Paul the presidency rather than speculations on the VP slot?

This will by my final post in a "Romeny/Paul" speculation thread I invite the rest of the grassroots to join me in that.

No One But Paul
End of line.

 

[WIwarrior]

NOBP

If it isn't Paul then let's show them our strength by killing the GOP in General Election!

VP is a USELESS position & these fricking Romney-bots need to banned

This is NOT a personality-cult for us to follow the leader, this is about PRINCIPLES, about NOT playing Washington-games of expediency & compromise, & if Paul wavers from it then he can forget about the support, which is why he'll NEVER do it!

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."
-John Adams on vice-presidency

bump

In matters of style, swim with the current;
In matters of principle, stand like a rock.
--Thomas Jefferson

This country will crash and burn before I sell my soul voting and supporting anyone but Ron Paul for PRESIDENT. At the start of the Revolution 2/3rds of Americans opposed the idea of freedom and liberty. It looks like we have reunited with our past. Those of you content with a Romney presidency should seriously reconsider. Thats all I have to say on this subject. Good luck to you all.

 

[Paulitics 2011]

It would maintain the status quo. Period.

Oh so Romney or Obama winning without Paul wouldn't do the same?

Ron Paul would be a sell out.

Why?

For taking a position of influence rather than retiring?

We would be fools.

Speak for yourself.

Ron Paul, and his son Rand Paul would lose all credit amongst people like me.

And gain credit amongst the general public. (While keeping it among some, if not most, of those who already support him).

Game over. Establishment wins.

So in a hypothetical situation where the establishment is going to win regardless of what you do, you would rather see the establishment winning AND Ron Paul retiring than the establishment winning and Ron Paul at least given a spot in the White House.

delete my account, forget I've been here, and good fucking luck.

In exchange for recognition amongst the general populace...

Careful, that sounds like a classic case of lesser-of-two-evils to me. Might wanna get that checked out.

Why are we here again? What are we fighting for?

So assuming a hypothetical case in which we've already lost the general election, you wouldn't take the lesser of two evils?

So what you're saying is you'd take the greater of two evils...How is that logical?

You get real. Do you actually think Romney would allow Paul to make any worthwhile decisions regarding economics, foreign policy, or civil liberties when they don't agree on any of these issues?

No.

But if we're assuming a hypothetical scenario in which Paul has already lost, I don't see how it hurts to have a spot in the White House.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

The above covers this and all other articles/threads cut from the same cloth.

Beyond the above, can we please focus the talk on Grassroots Central getting Paul the presidency rather than speculations on the VP slot?

This will by my final post in a "Romeny/Paul" speculation thread I invite the rest of the grassroots to join me in that.

No One But Paul
End of line.

+1

Exactly, this is about getting Paul the presidency & all this unnecessary speculation needs to stop, it's too much of a destraction from the real goal Those who think the campaign is over & want to support Romney can gtfo

bump

In matters of style, swim with the current;
In matters of principle, stand like a rock.
--Thomas Jefferson

This country will crash and burn before I sell my soul voting and supporting anyone but Ron Paul for PRESIDENT. At the start of the Revolution 2/3rds of Americans opposed the idea of freedom and liberty. It looks like we have reunited with our past. Those of you content with a Romney presidency should seriously reconsider. Thats all I have to say on this subject. Good luck to you all.

+1

Just like Paul says low interest & regulations is what caused the problem so lower interest & more regulations simply CAN'T be the solution, similarly, the Washington-games of compromise & expediency is what has brought the country to its knees & resorting to more compromises & expediency will NOT solve the problems; vice-presidency is a useless position & NOTHING WILL CHANGE if Paul isn't the nominee!

 

[speciallyblend]

NOBP, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OV8RSgCr2g<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OV8RSgCr2g">

can you hear us now??

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

No.

But if we're assuming a hypothetical scenario in which Paul has already lost, I don't see how it hurts to have a spot in the White House.

-rep

We can think about what to do when "Paul has already lost" when he loses but this race is FAR FROM OVER & if you think Paul has already lost then go campaign for Romney!

VP is a USELESS position, compromising principles for the sake of getting into a worthless position is stupid, it destroy the movement & will mark a blot on the liberty-movement & everything it stands for

I suggest you already start campaigning for Romney, people like you deserve the Romneys & Obamas because you're just as unprincipled compromisers The government is full of corrupt, flip-flopping, compromising thieves because voters aren't principled enough to take a stand & not compromise on principles

As they say, the kind of government people get is not an accident, they bring it upon themselves so an unprincipled electorate will naturally breed an unprincipled government!

BTW, good luck for the Romney-campaign!

 

[jacksonunit]

This stupid little Romney/Paul fantasy is safe to ignore. It's simply not going to happen.

Paul/Napolitano 2012!