Ron Paul: Why should those that honor religious freedom support him?

[Cinnaboo]

Please read my feelings on this from before... I would ask that others join in on this, because it is getting tiring...

Reading through those quotes, I was punching the sky.

I've given up arguing against religion on message boards -- nasty habit -- but I keep checking back here because you're pretty god damn good at this.

Has any religious person conceded a belief they expressed in an earlier post?

 

[ReneeSaffron]

If I didn't have school full time I would have replied already. I'll try to do that today. As far as conceding anything, I'll have to read Kade's post more thoroughly.

 

[Kade]

Reading through those quotes, I was punching the sky.

I've given up arguing against religion on message boards -- nasty habit -- but I keep checking back here because you're pretty god damn good at this.

Has any religious person conceded a belief they expressed in an earlier post?

My inbox is full of support from many members... and few pieces of hate mail. I have convinced some... I fear I may be making others less tolerant...

 

[Flash The Cash]

Take it up with Jefferson then.

Why are you such a big fan of government advisory authority over religion?

 

[Flash The Cash]

as far as the Constitution goes, "Seperation of Church and State" isn't in it.

Don't be silly, dude. Religion was separated from the authority of the federal government by the Constitution.

It doesn't say there shall be no Government Establishment of Religion. It doesn't even say Congress shall not Establish Religion. It say Congress shall pass no law respecting an Establishment of Religion. That means not only that Congress shall make no law Establishing Religion, but also Congress shall make no law preventing the Establishment of Religion.

The U. S. Government was granted no power whatsoever over religion, dude. You need to get real.

At the time the Bill of Rights was being written, some States already had Established Religion. I believe New Hampshire was one. It was a matter to be decided by the People and the States, and the Federal Government was to stay out of it. Made even more Constitutionally clear in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

The was very little government established religion in the states at the time the Constitution was made.

Again, I'm against the Establishment of Religion. But it's no business of the Federal Government...

Read the 14th Amendment, dude.

"Seperation of Church and State" isn't in the Constitution.

Yes it is, dude. Religion was separated totally and completely from the cognizance of the federal government.

It's a matter to be settled by the People and the States.

It was settled by the 14th Amendment, dude.

 

[Kade]

Why are you such a big fan of government advisory authority over religion?

What do you mean a big fan of advisory authority over religion? I want that shit utterly stripped out of government. It has no place. This is not a Country under God, this is not a Christian Nation, I'm not a Christian, and I will not follow Christian Law.

 

[familydog]

What do you mean a big fan of advisory authority over religion? I want that shit utterly stripped out of government. It has no place. This is not a Country under God, this is not a Christian Nation, I'm not a Christian, and I will not follow Christian Law.

Then don't?

 

[Kade]

Then don't?

I have no choice. My money is being stripped from me and used to support Horse's ass projects like Faith Based Initiatives.

 

[familydog]

I have no choice. My money is being stripped from me and used to support Horse's ass projects like Faith Based Initiatives.

My elementary school, middle school, high school all prevented religious symbols with regards to decorations at Christmas time. There were numerous secular decorations all over. Candy canes, reindeer, Santa, snowflakes etc. No Nativity scenes, Menorah's for Chanukkah etc. I, as a Catholic, pay for those schools to tell me Christmas is a secular event, involving nothing but consumerism and snow. If we are using that standard, schools have no right to put up any decorations even secular at Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, or any other holiday with religious origins. If schools can't be in the business of promoting religion, they shouldn't be in the business of promoting anything else.

 

[Tdcci]

If schools can't be in the business of promoting religion, they shouldn't be in the business of promoting anything else.

Nonsense. The school is expressly prohibited from promoting religion, they are not prohibited from promoting consumerism and snow.

 

[familydog]

Nonsense. The school is expressly prohibited from promoting religion, they are not prohibited from promoting consumerism and snow.

Says who? Schools can only promote things that don't offend you or what?

 

[Tdcci]

Says who? Schools can only promote things that don't offend you or what?

Public Schools, Seperation of Church and State?

 

[familydog]

Public Schools, Seperation of Church and State?

So "Seperation of Chruch and State" only applies to people who believe in a god. As long as you don't believe in a god, a school is free to promote whatever it wants?

 

[Tarzan]

Public Schools, Seperation of Church and State?

There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. This is one of the REALLY big problems... people do not know what the Constitution actually says.

We need to read and reread it regularly so we know and understand what it says... not what the media and current powers WANT us to believe. The Constitution is NOT a living document as the collectivists would have us believe... otherwise the Constitution would not have a process for making changes contained in its structure.

Go here and read this often: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Meanwhile... a quote of the First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

ps... I am what many would call an atheist or an agnostic... I call myself "non-superstitious"... so I have no religious bent. What the Constitution says is that government shall not create a state religion or stop anyone from the free exercise of their religion... see above, but the intention is clear. There is NO SUCH THING as "separation of church and state"... except in the media.

 

[Tdcci]

There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. This is one of the REALLY big problems... people do not know what the Constitution actually says.

We need to read and reread it regularly so we know and understand what it says... not what the media and current powers WANT us to believe. The Constitution is NOT a living document as the collectivists would have us believe... otherwise the Constitution would not have a process for making changes contained in its structure.

Go here and read this often: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

There is NO SUCH THING as "separation of church and state"... except in the media.

The Supreme Court Disagrees.

 

[familydog]

Since a part of our legal system declares atheism a religion, then secular symbols from a school must go as well. In fact, secular symbols are not allowed on public property anywhere. If we are go to go by "Seperation of Church and State."

 

[Tdcci]

Since a part of our legal system declares atheism a religion,

That's absurd. Which part?

then secular symbols from a school must go as well. In fact, secular symbols are not allowed on public property anywhere. If we are go to go by "Seperation of Church and State."

There is no such thing as "secular symbols" as you are using the phrase. Any symbol that is NOT religious is SECULAR. If you want to see what happens when church marries the state, take a look at Saudi Arabia, or Iran. You wouldn't like to live there.

 

[Fox McCloud]

The Supreme Court Disagrees.

The Supreme Court has made many rulings against our Constitution--why should I trust them? It's not like the judicial branch is somehow immune to corruption--if anything, it's more likely they will be corrupt since they have no term limits.

 

[Tdcci]

I don't ask you to trust them, that was a reply to a poster who thought that the concept of "Seperation of Church and State" was created by the media and has no basis in our Constitution.

 

[familydog]

That's absurd. Which part?



There is no such thing as "secular symbols" as you are using the phrase. Any symbol that is NOT religious is SECULAR. If you want to see what happens when church marries the state, take a look at Saudi Arabia, or Iran. You wouldn't like to live there.

Why is you it assume I want a fusion of Church and state? I never advocated anything. Just because I disagree with you I want a theocracy?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/7th/041914p.pdf
According to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, atheism is a religion.