Ron Paul up 3% in new national poll, behind Cain

Uh, actually, he should say yes, because he understands that one of the most basic tenets of liberty is that you, not the government, own your own body, and because he understands that prohibition makes these problems far, far worse, and that legislating personal morality is neither moral nor effective.

Leaders say what's right, and change the public debate, as paul has. Slimeball politicos say whatever they think will be popular.

It sounds a lot like some want RP to morph from a principled leader in defending liberty to just another shill who will say anything to get elected.

At no point would he be lying about his positions. He would just be controlling the way in which he answers to suit his target audience.

Do you think heroin should be legal? No. --> He could answer as if he is being asked about what he personally thinks.
You think prostitution should be legal, right? No. --> same thing
Recently you said that you thought it was bad that we got Osama. No I didn't. --> He is being asked about if a quote is accurate.

Maybe I am explaining myself wrong. I'm saying it is about the packaging. For example, I tell pro-life people that he would be in favor of overturning Roe v Wade. I simply don't mention that it has anything to do with federal jurisdiction. I tell pro-choice people that he wants the government out of our bodies. And I don't mention the Roe v Wade thing. Why offer them more information than they ask for? Especially when votes for Ron are on the line. And no I am not ok with him saying "anything" to get elected but you would have to be pretty naive to think that we shouldn't market our candidate. Trust me, I am bursting at the seams to shout "Ron Paul would pardon all non-violent drug offenders!!"... but that is not helpful right now.

It sounds a lot like some want Ron to run an educational campaign.
 
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These polls never fail to baffle me. Why on Earth would anyone in their right mind even consider Sarah Palin a serious contender for the White House? To the American people even know who she is, or do they just think she's pretty and accept the sound bite news they're fed. This is appalling.
I think a lot of ignorant Republicans back her because the liberal media hates her so much. It's like an "enemy of my enemy" kind of thing.
 
if you want message traction from Ron Paul -- see if you can get it here on the forums (that is both a test and a hint) This is a public venue and WE are his ambassadors. LOL
 
Exactly why I tell the people that are hung up on every little issue to look at the bigger picture.

You think Ron is going to win any brownie points attempting to explain how inflation is created by the fed or how blowback occurs?

HELL NO. He'll win points with short, concise answers these average GOP voters can understand. "I voted against the bailout and I predicted the 2008 economic collapse. No one on this stage can say that." and "I am the only candidate to have served in the military. I support bringing our troops home from countries that are no threat, such as Japan, so we can be better prepared to combat terrorism and all foreign threats."

It's simple as that....


 
The polling from RCP uses the 6 most recent and seperate polls..FOX just release a new poll showing Ron at 5% which replaces the earlier one of 7%...which is no surprise. He is now tie with Cain and tie for second. The establishment just couldn't handle Ron being ahead so they release this new poll...its seems like whenever Ron polls well, the very next poll shows low single digits...


Yes, they use Fox polls, if you remove Fox's poll Ron would be slightly ahead of Cain but less than 1%...
 
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The polling from RCP uses the 5 most recent polls..FOX just release a new poll showing Ron at 5%...which is no surprise. He is now tie with Cain. The establishment just couldn't handle Ron being ahead so they release this new poll...its seems like whenever Ron poll well, the very next poll shows low single digits...

Do they really use Fox polls? Wow.
 
Cain Cain Cain. Am I missing something here? How about focusing on the guy who is #1 by a WIDE margin.
 
People like Cain because he talks a good show. He sounds like a leader. He sounds like John Killian in these videos below. If Ron talked anything like Killian in these clips, he'd be the clear frontrunner right now.



 
Democracy is where masses of ignorant, arrogant people run ruin the lives and finances of people they don't know or understand, based on soundbytes from con-men with ulterior motives.

Fixed that for ya.
 
Wonder what the results would be if Paul and Cain actually had an equal amount of coverage on TV, especially Fox News.
 
At no point would he be lying about his positions. He would just be controlling the way in which he answers to suit his target audience.

Do you think heroin should be legal? No. --> He could answer as if he is being asked about what he personally thinks.

You think prostitution should be legal, right? No. --> same thing

He personally thinks both prostitution and use of dangerous drugs are wrong behaviors (as do I), but I don't think he believes either, if conducted peacefully, should be illegal. He's said as much.

He doesn't need to simply say "yes" either, of course. He could say something like, "I do believe drug prohibition, like alcohol prohibition in the 1920s, has created massive amounts of violence, enriched gangsters, and destroyed families. Like alcohol abuse, we should recognize that drug abuse is a sickness and moral weakness that is best addressed by community and family intervention as well as medical treatment. Ultimately, though, I believe it's up to states to form their own policies on this issue, with which I, as a federal congressperson or president, would not interfere."

Recently you said that you thought it was bad that we got Osama. No I didn't. --> He is being asked about if a quote is accurate.

Yeah, I agree with you there.

Maybe I am explaining myself wrong. I'm saying it is about the packaging.

I know, and I understand that your motivations are good, but I don't think it's right or expedient to sell liberty to people by disguising it as more tyranny.

For example, I tell pro-life people that he would be in favor of overturning Roe v Wade. I simply don't mention that it has anything to do with federal jurisdiction.

Fair enough.

I tell pro-choice people that he wants the government out of our bodies. And I don't mention the Roe v Wade thing.

That seems like a stretch to me .... he is pro-life after all, just on a state level.

Why offer them more information than they ask for? Especially when votes for Ron are on the line. And no I am not ok with him saying "anything" to get elected but you would have to be pretty naive to think that we shouldn't market our candidate.

I agree with choosing words carefully to make liberty palatable -- but I don't want to pretend to support tyranny in order to get the support of those who want tyranny.

Trust me, I am bursting at the seams to shout "Ron Paul would pardon all non-violent drug offenders!!"... but that is not helpful right now.

Fair enough :)

It sounds a lot like some want Ron to run an educational campaign.

Touche. To be honest, I consider the real battle here to be over the hearts and minds of the people. Observe how far the debate has shifted in the direction of Ron Paul's bold 2008 platform, which was highly unpopular at the time.

Yes, we should be politic in the way we choose to present the message -- but the message has to be principled, and pro-liberty. These days a bold, often unpopular stand for what's true and right is a real breath of fresh air -- it's why RP is different.
 
People like Cain because he talks a good show. He sounds like a leader. He sounds like John Killian in these videos below. If Ron talked anything like Killian in these clips, he'd be the clear frontrunner right now.

Suzu,
A big thanks for sharing that. Fired up for Ron Paul!!!
 
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