Ron Paul tweets on RonPaul.com Issue - and discussion

[sailingaway]

Nameservers haven't changed. Just the contact info.


There is a ICANN rule that requires the contact info for a registrant to be factual/accurate. If you have whois privacy, then the registrar still has your real info, which falls under the same rule. If someone is caught using fake contact info, ICANN can snatch the domain.

Panama is interesting because that's one of the places where some folks I know like to have their servers/registrars when they want to be able to ignore DMCA takedown requests and keep operating for a while. Some also like to incorporate down there, presumably for financial or international trade reasons.

BTW the site in question is hosted in TX, not Panama.

so they might have been trying to not let it be snatchable under that rule now that WIPO was going to be looking at it. However, it also used to say on whosis that the domain was for sale and to contact the registrant about it. They took that off too, on February 10, 2013.

 

[CPUd]

so they might have been trying to not let it be snatchable under that rule now that WIPO was going to be looking at it. However, it also used to say on whosis that the domain was for sale and to contact the registrant about it. They took that off too, on February 10, 2013.

If I had to guess, I'd say they were dotting their i's and crossing their t's.

Here is what mine looks like:

Dear WhoisGuard Protected,

This is your annual notice that all registered domain names must have accurate and updated contact information.

Please review the domain information below and verify its accuracy. If all information is up-to-date then no changes are necessary. Inaccurate or outdated information must be corrected by logging into your account.

While we do respect your privacy, we are required by ICANN, our regulating authority, to send these notices annually to all domain contacts. To learn more about this process and why it is required, please visit ICANN’s website: http://www.icann.org/whois/wdrp-registrant-faq.htm

Please remember that under the terms of your registration agreement, providing false or inaccurate Whois (contact) information can be grounds for the cancellation of your domain name registration.

The "domain for sale" is an option you can set on the domain with some registrars. It will automatically add that text into the whois record. Domainers almost always leave this setting on.

 

[PatriotOne]

also to add to what CPUd said. the first bit of information is incomplete, as you can see we don;t have the full whois record.

BUT, if you look at the complaint, You will notice the register info did change.

In the complaint, it was registered anonymous. That has now changed.

2 things about that. And the first one is the important one. In the claim, I believe Ron Paul and company mistake the anonymous registration for the Respondent and thus make the claim that the respondent is only leasing to a 3rd party. If they were hoping that would weigh on the no legitimate interest charge, they are sadly and woefully mistaken. That will probably make them look like they haven't done their homework. Coupled with the fact that they show a pattern of letting domains expire and abandon the so called mark, it hurts point 1 as well IMO..

2nd thing. It is possible that the registrar removed the anonymous listing, but i highly doubt that happened. That would be extremely unusual and I only mention it because at this point, the next thing we are likely to see happen if any thing at all, is a registrar forced changed.

That being said, I believe the site owner did this for credibility purposes for the people like me who know wtf is going on behind the scenes.

Don't you find it a bit odd that this super RP supporter's address is in Panama though?

 

[sailingaway]

Don't you find it a bit odd that this super RP supporter's address is in Panama though?

But if the site was only LEASED the super Ron Paul supporter is not the same person as the domain registrant who has simply been monetizing the site for a rental stream and ad/consumer products sales in the likeness of Ron.

 

[CPUd]

There is a business model where domainers with high-profile domains, instead of building a site, they sublet them out.

http://www.leasemy.com/

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Why should I lease a premier Domain?
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Is there any risk in leasing my Domain out?
Like any business opportunity there are some risks, however the LeaseMy.com team has put together a full binding legal contract to protect you and your domain from these risks - leaving you free to sit back, relax and enjoy the increase in revenues.

What if I've been leasing a Domain and now I want to buy it?
That's fine, all of our leasing agreements have clauses in them to define what happens in these situations and most of our domains are also available to buy as well as lease (and if not we'll make it clear to you up front).

How do I know the correct price to offer to lease a domain?
Like many things in life there is no 'correct' price - depending on the requirements of each situation LeaseMy.com works with both the leasor and leasee to identify a price acceptable to both sides and then codifies that into the lease agreement.

 

[PatriotOne]

Panama is interesting because that's one of the places where some folks I know like to have their servers/registrars when they want to be able to ignore DMCA takedown requests and keep operating for a while.

That's the possibility that's got me concerned. Are they trying to avoid jurisdiction by being a Panama registerant ? I know my super spidey senses started going off when I saw the change and particularly the Panama part.

 

[PatriotOne]

But if the site was only LEASED the super Ron Paul supporter is not the same person as the domain registrant who has simply been monetizing the site for a rental stream and ad/consumer products sales in the likeness of Ron.

I know. The "super" part was tongue in cheek .

 

[RickyJ]

Same here. I'm not sure what would motivate them to operate the site at a loss if they weren't even donating to the campaign. Makes no sense to me.

It makes sense if they were really fans of Ron Paul. I and many here have also donated time and money to the campaign. Their contrition to Ron Paul was keeping that site up with information about Ron. Ron should be grateful about it, not taking action like this, it is a disgrace.

 

[CPUd]

Many years ago, someone registered hannityforums.com and redirected it to meatspin, then went over to the actual hannity forums and started posting the link everywhere. They were pissed off, but couldn't do a lot about it because of where he regged the domain, and where it was hosted.

BTW it is available again, at least for a few more minutes...

 

[RickyJ]

Many years ago, someone registered hannityforums.com and redirected it to meatspin, then went over to the actual hannity forums and started posting the link everywhere. They were pissed off, but couldn't do a lot about it because of where he regged the domain, and where it was hosted.

BTW it is available again, at least for a few more minutes...

Yeah but no one really cares about hannity. His ratings have taking a nose dive after the election. I guess people get tired of listening to people lie to them about how Romney was going to win in a landslide.

 

[sailingaway]

It makes sense if they were really fans of Ron Paul. I and many here have also donated time and money to the campaign. Their contrition to Ron Paul was keeping that site up with information about Ron. Ron should be grateful about it, not taking action like this, it is a disgrace.

but if the guy who leased it and had the fan site, is a completely different person than the guy who has put the site on the market and is hitting Ron up for a stick up price, Ron's feelings towards the guy who leased it don't enter in here.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Contracts are valid in free-markets. Period.

Ron Paul pursued this through the only available legal channel. Period.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Contracts are valid in free-markets. Period.

Ron Paul pursued this through the only available legal channel. Period.

Apparently not the only available legal channel. Some members have brought up using the NAF with respect to foreign domain registars. It is undoubtedly the legal advise given to him to pursue his UDRP through WIPO. I do not care one way or the other, with respect to using WIPO instead of the NAF or whatever. So be it.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

A very helpful article that gives insight as to what Paul will have to prove in order to seize the domain name.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/udrp/analysis.html

 

[newbitech]

Don't you find it a bit odd that this super RP supporter's address is in Panama though?

no because I read their about us page. I also understand that Ron Paul has world wide support with Ron Paul himself even commenting on the mitt romney visit to poland and the sign wavers there who support Ron Paul. Lot's of people have expressed that they don't want to be here when this country turns into a police state.

I am not concerned about that. I am considering relocating further south myself.

 

[PatriotOne]

There is a business model where domainers with high-profile domains, instead of building a site, they sublet them out.

http://www.leasemy.com/

That's interesting. Hmmmm.....I wonder........

 

[newbitech]

That's the possibility that's got me concerned. Are they trying to avoid jurisdiction by being a Panama registerant ? I know my super spidey senses started going off when I saw the change and particularly the Panama part.

but before the change, they were anonymous, you didn't know where they were. could have been china for all you knew. wouldn't matter as far as the arb filing. But give the guys credit they decloaked when they realized the liberty movement was turning its attention on them. They didn't crawl away and hide behind dick cheney, they stepped up.

That's probably why the arb filing. Some nerd that ron paul trusts probably saw the anon part and freaked out and thought oh shit, these people my run away to north korea with our domain! EGADS!

 

[newbitech]

That's interesting. Hmmmm.....I wonder........

pretty clear the guy controlling the content is the guy who got notified thru the registrar.

 

[sailingaway]

but before the change, they were anonymous, you didn't know where they were. could have been china for all you knew. wouldn't matter as far as the arb filing. !

and would that have been a breach of their registration agreement right there?

 

[sailingaway]

pretty clear the guy controlling the content is the guy who got notified thru the registrar.

The one controlling the content NOW, but if the lease of the old guy expired.... dunno.