Ron Paul tweets on RonPaul.com Issue - and discussion

[angelatc]

I copied and pasted the differences in registration info yesterday in another thread.


2/11 the reg info said this:

Domain Name: RONPAUL.COM
Registrar: FABULOUS.COM PTY LTD.
Whois Server: whois.fabulous.com
Referral URL: http://www.fabulous.com
Name Server: MYNS1.FABULOUS.COM
Name Server: MYNS2.FABULOUS.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 10-feb-2013
Creation Date: 22-nov-2000
Expiration Date: 22-nov-2020

http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=...rog_id=GoDaddy

2/12 the registration info said this:

Domain ronpaul.com:
JNR Corp
Apartado 29832, ElDorado
Ciudad de Panama, PA 00000 PA

Administrative contact:
Technical contact:
Billing contact:
JNR Corp
JNR Corp
[email protected]
Apartado 29832, ElDorado
Ciudad de Panama, PA 00000 PA
Phone: +507.64938568
Fax:

Record dates:
Record created on: 2000-11-22 18:05:56 UTC
Record modified on: 2013-02-10 21:06:32 UTC
Record expires on: 2020-11-22 UTC

Nameservers:
myns1.fabulous.com
myns2.fabulous.com

Note: Automated collection of data from this database is strictly prohibited.

Registrar: FABULOUS.COM PTY LTD.
Whois Server: whois.fabulous.com
Creation Date: 22-NOV-2000
Updated Date: 10-FEB-2013
Expiration Date: 22-NOV-2020

Nameserver: MYNS1.FABULOUS.COM
Nameserver: MYNS2.FABULOUS.COM

Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

Being the domain registration amatuer that I am, can someone explain what this means? Did the site change ownership or ?????

Newbitech???

Could it be that JNR Corp is an entity that is assigned temporary custody of the domain while the complaint is being sorted out? The agreement states that the site can't change ownership while there's a dispute pending, I think.

 

[sailingaway]

But the content argument does not work against him. That's what lost the case for Lady Gaga and Tupac.

It isn't the only argument here, it is COMBINED with other elements, and in other cases trading on the trademark for content has been an element cases turned on. They weren't just like this either, but the principle was recognized. Here all the owner did was collect money to rent it out as a site with Ron's persona, apparently. I must say I don't have independent information on the lessee, I am just speaking from what has been posted.

 

[SewrRatt]

See, I think the other Ron Paul trademarked the name Ron Paul because his name was Ron Paul, and the name of his business was "Ron Paul Consulting." If he was aware of the politician Ron Paul in 2001, then he was ahead of the curve. He was also smart enough to trademark the name, to protect himself from losing the right to use his own name.

For many, many years 7-11 could not do business in Indiana as 7-11, because some little guy in Indiana owned a convenience store with that name there.

I searched for Ron Paul on the US Patent and Trademark website, and the only trademarks for Ron Paul are marked dead, as in lapsed or cancelled or abandoned.

 

[sailingaway]

Could it be that JNR Corp is an entity that is assigned temporary custody of the domain while the complaint is being sorted out? The agreement states that the site can't change ownership while there's a dispute pending, I think.

Perhaps that is why the claim was filed if the owner threatened to transfer it, perhaps to someone unfriendly. We don't know. I sure hope it hasn't changed hands, but if it has, I suspect the tribunal ultimately will unwind it and find THAT to be bad faith. But it might just be some kind of clarification. I don't know what it means, that change.

 

[angelatc]

No. I don't know more than has been said about it here. I don't know a lot of things. And I give Ron the benefit of the doubt. From what I see he approached this in good faith, trying to do the 'right thing' beyond what he had to do under domain rules. Whereas I do see it as the other guy (maybe not the lessee? Don't now) spinning facts to smear him on the internet to create pressure. So I just hope they settle and resolve the whole thing.

As do I, but I don't think that using Alex Jones and Lew Rockwell to get the minions all worked up before he filed suit is any less hostile than posting an emotionally written defense to an aggressive, bad faith dispute filed when they still thought they were in negotiations.

 

[PatriotOne]

Could it be that JNR Corp is an entity that is assigned temporary custody of the domain while the complaint is being sorted out? The agreement states that the site can't change ownership while there's a dispute pending, I think.

I don't know . I tried to google JNR Corp and Panama but can't even find a single hit that says JNR Corporation even exists in Panama.

 

[angelatc]

Perhaps that is why the claim was filed if the owner threatened to transfer it, perhaps to someone unfriendly. We don't know. I sure hope it hasn't changed hands, but if it has, I suspect the tribunal ultimately will unwind it and find THAT to be bad faith. But it might just be some kind of clarification. I don't know what it means, that change.

There's no evidence that the owner threatened to transfer it. He would have no incentive to even threaten that.

 

[sailingaway]

As do I, but I don't think that using Alex Jones and Lew Rockwell to get the minions all worked up before he filed suit is any less hostile than posting an emotionally written defense to an aggressive, bad faith dispute filed when they still thought they were in negotiations.

It is your opinion Ron had to/did direct Lew to do that?

Also, were media likely to pick it up across the nation tarnishing the site owner's good name?

 

[sailingaway]

There's no evidence that the owner threatened to transfer it. He would have no incentive to even threaten that.

Maybe he thought it would get a higher price. There is no evidence he didn't either. In fact WE DON'T KNOW why Ron went from negotiations to filing this. The thing is, I give Ron the benefit of the doubt until I do know.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't know . I tried to google JNR Corp and Panama but can't even find a single hit that says JNR Corporation even exists in Panama.

It might just have been incorporated, on, say 2/10/2013....

 

[awake]

Any mea culpas from the 'run down Ronnies'?

 

[PatriotOne]

It might just have been incorporated, on, say 2/10/2013....

Hmmmmmm.....that's a thought.

Wasn't it you who said the website was also taken off the market yesterday?

I'm really curious what's going on with the change of reg info but don't know how to go about figuring it out.

 

[sailingaway]

Hmmmmmm.....that's a thought.

Wasn't it you who said the website was also taken off the market yesterday?

I'm really curious what's going on with the change of reg info but don't know how to go about figuring it out.

No, I'm just saying it HAD said it WAS on the market. I don't know what the change means. But he apparently was saying as part of his emotional tugging that he had taken it off the market so grass roots could continue to benefit or something, while Whosis said it was listed for sale. That bit about taking it off the market for grass roots. is second hand, though, someone posted that.

I'm really curious too. It could be it was just insufficient and they fixed it to comply with some sort of rule, or it could be something more nefarious. I dont' have background in this sort of thing.

 

[PatriotOne]

I'm really curious too. It could be it was just insufficient and they fixed it to comply with some sort of rule, or it could be something more nefarious. I dont' have background in this sort of thing.

They were going through a privacy site (fabulous.com) which is a way to hide your identity from others wanting to know who owns a particular domain name. Now it's changed to this JNR Corp. Not making sense to me but the part about the JNR Corp being in Panama especially makes me suspicious. Trying to move the domain name out of jurisdiction or sold it or ????? Maybe there's an innocent explanation but I'm not privy on this stuff enough to know.

NEWBIE!!!!!

 

[newbitech]

ok, on the registrar stuff.

1) what is a registrar? A registrar keeps a database with the following 2 important records:
domain name
the registered user of that domain name
2) what happens when a domain name is "registered"? Once a registrar logs the entry, DNS root servers are updated with an SOA record.
SOA stands for "Start of Authority". The SOA contains the following 3 important records:
domain name
Pointer to Nameserver
Email Contact for the administrator of the domain
3.) what can someone do with a domain registration? 2 important things
change the pointer to nameserver
change the registered user information.


So, basically when I sell you my domain name I give you the link to my registrars website and I give you my username and password.

That's it.

How does the registrar take over or otherwise transfer the domain? They remove the SOA (the pointer to the nameserver), remove the current registered user associated to domain, and update it to the new registered user or just leave it blank.

Not much to it.

 

[angelatc]

It is your opinion Ron had to/did direct Lew to do that?

Also, were media likely to pick it up across the nation tarnishing the site owner's good name?

It is more my opinion that Lew told Ron to mention the quandry on AJ, and then wrote about it on his site as a follow-up. I don't think Ron has a mean bone in his body, and I don't think of him as an especially shrewd manipulator, either.

 

[sailingaway]

It is more my opinion that Lew told Ron to mention the quandry on AJ, and then wrote about it on his site as a follow-up. I don't think Ron has a mean bone in his body, and I don't think of him as an especially shrewd manipulator, either.

My guess was that Ron mentioned it on AJ intending to use the completely horrific name of 'RonPaulHomepagedotcom' and was told afterwards not to be insane and to get his name dot com. AJ specifically ASKED his new site name to try to give him a plug and Ron kind of hemmed and hawed an said it wasn't ready, but..... Immediately people started agitating for it and the site owner responded that it was for sale about a week later. At which point consultant/handlers/attorneys likely got involved to figure out what it was worth and took over. And yes I made mine up out of whole cloth, too, except the part about agitating to get the name by supporters and the site owner responding.

 

[PatriotOne]

ok, on the registrar stuff.

1) what is a registrar? A registrar keeps a database with the following 2 important records:
domain name
the registered user of that domain name
2) what happens when a domain name is "registered"? Once a registrar logs the entry, DNS root servers are updated with an SOA record.
SOA stands for "Start of Authority". The SOA contains the following 3 important records:
domain name
Pointer to Nameserver
Email Contact for the administrator of the domain
3.) what can someone do with a domain registration? 2 important things
change the pointer to nameserver
change the registered user information.


So, basically when I sell you my domain name I give you the link to my registrars website and I give you my username and password.

That's it.

How does the registrar take over or otherwise transfer the domain? They remove the SOA (the pointer to the nameserver), remove the current registered user associated to domain, and update it to the new registered user or just leave it blank.

Not much to it.

Thanks for that but I was hoping you would take a look at the changes made to the ronpaul.com register yesterday and tell me/us what you make of it. Does it mean they sold it to JNR Corporation in Panama or is their another explanation? Here's the changes if you got time.....

2/11/13 (Monday) the reg info said this:

Domain Name: RONPAUL.COM
Registrar: FABULOUS.COM PTY LTD.
Whois Server: whois.fabulous.com
Referral URL: http://www.fabulous.com
Name Server: MYNS1.FABULOUS.COM
Name Server: MYNS2.FABULOUS.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 10-feb-2013
Creation Date: 22-nov-2000
Expiration Date: 22-nov-2020

http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=...rog_id=GoDaddy

2/12/13 (Tues) the registration was changed to this:

Domain ronpaul.com: JNR Corp
Apartado 29832, ElDorado
Ciudad de Panama, PA 00000 PA

Administrative contact: JNR Corp
Technical contact: JNR Corp
Billing contact: [email protected]

Apartado 29832, ElDorado
Ciudad de Panama, PA 00000 PA
Phone: +507.64938568
Fax:

Record dates:
Record created on: 2000-11-22 18:05:56 UTC
Record modified on: 2013-02-10 21:06:32 UTC
Record expires on: 2020-11-22 UTC

Nameservers:
myns1.fabulous.com
myns2.fabulous.com

Note: Automated collection of data from this database is strictly prohibited.

Registrar: FABULOUS.COM PTY LTD.
Whois Server: whois.fabulous.com
Creation Date: 22-NOV-2000
Updated Date: 10-FEB-2013
Expiration Date: 22-NOV-2020

Nameserver: MYNS1.FABULOUS.COM
Nameserver: MYNS2.FABULOUS.COM

Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

 

[CPUd]

Nameservers haven't changed. Just the contact info.


There is a ICANN rule that requires the contact info for a registrant to be factual/accurate. If you have whois privacy, then the registrar still has your real info, which falls under the same rule. If someone is caught using fake contact info, ICANN can snatch the domain.

Panama is interesting because that's one of the places where some folks I know like to have their servers/registrars when they want to be able to ignore DMCA takedown requests and keep operating for a while. Some also like to incorporate down there, presumably for financial or international trade reasons.

BTW the site in question is hosted in TX, not Panama.

 

[newbitech]

Nameservers haven't changed. Just the contact info.


There is a ICANN rule that requires the contact info for a registrant to be factual/accurate. If you have whois privacy, then the registrar still has your real info, which falls under the same rule. If someone is caught using fake contact info, ICANN can snatch the domain.

Panama is interesting because that's one of the places where some folks I know like to have their servers/registrars when they want to be able to ignore DMCA takedown requests and keep operating for a while. Some also like to incorporate down there, presumably for financial or international trade reasons.

BTW the site in question is hosted in TX, not Panama.

also to add to what CPUd said. the first bit of information is incomplete, as you can see we don;t have the full whois record.

BUT, if you look at the complaint, You will notice the register info did change.

In the complaint, it was registered anonymous. That has now changed.

2 things about that. And the first one is the important one. In the claim, I believe Ron Paul and company mistake the anonymous registration for the Respondent and thus make the claim that the respondent is only leasing to a 3rd party. If they were hoping that would weigh on the no legitimate interest charge, they are sadly and woefully mistaken. That will probably make them look like they haven't done their homework. Coupled with the fact that they show a pattern of letting domains expire and abandon the so called mark, it hurts point 1 as well IMO..

2nd thing. It is possible that the registrar removed the anonymous listing, but i highly doubt that happened. That would be extremely unusual and I only mention it because at this point, the next thing we are likely to see happen if any thing at all, is a registrar forced changed.

That being said, I believe the site owner did this for credibility purposes for the people like me who know wtf is going on behind the scenes.