Ron Paul tweets on RonPaul.com Issue - and discussion

[cajuncocoa]

Call me crazy, but some of the money made off of 'Ron Paul' tshirts, hats etc. and ad revenue made from "RonPaul.com" should have gone to the campaign. I am simply stating my opinion. (Not that he should have been forced to donate or anything like that)

I agree. And wouldn't you think that most people who were buying those shirts assumed a donation was being made?

 

[Matt Collins]

Toldja the RonPaul.com people were not trustworthy

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Toldja the RonPaul.com people were not trustworthy

GTFOH. YOU WERE LIKE THE FIFTIETH PERSON HERE TO SAY THAT. Only they provided reasons and facts as to their statements.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I agree. And wouldn't you think that most people who were buying those shirts assumed a donation was being made?

Yeah, I could imagine people thinking that some of the money, if not all, went to Ron Paul. I'm not sure if they had disclaimers or anything though.

 

[ninepointfive]

Call me crazy, but some of the money made off of 'Ron Paul' tshirts, hats etc. and ad revenue made from "RonPaul.com" should have gone to the campaign. I am simply stating my opinion. (Not that he should have been forced to donate or anything like that)

The point I'm making is that individual efforts made more of an impact than the campaign would have even thought to make happen.

 

[newbitech]

Toldja the RonPaul.com people were not trustworthy

Matt, neither is Lew Rockwell in this case. His ICANN/UN statement is evidently bunk. Maybe you should let Mr. Paul's advisers know they are tweeting bad information regarding the ICANN resolution process.

 

[newbitech]

and just to be perfectly clear.

Here is a UDRP that NAF recently settled with claimant from USA, California and respondent Australia

http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1475032.htm

 

[KingNothing]

the owners say it has been at a loss

Then they are idiotic.

 

[newbitech]

and here is another UDRP that NAF has between UK and China...

http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1475014.htm

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Matt, neither is Lew Rockwell in this case. His ICANN/UN statement is evidently bunk. Maybe you should let Mr. Paul's advisers know they are tweeting bad information regarding the ICANN resolution process.

Matt only pops in to post that ronpaul.com is untrustworthy. Do not expect any conversation deeper than that. I really don't see how Lew's UN statement is wrong. To be clear you are saying that there is another process he could have gone through that does not even remotely involve the UN? I'm not too informed on domain name laws/legal proceedings. I thought Lew Rockwell's explanation was rather good.

 

[jj-]

Call me crazy, but some of the money made off of 'Ron Paul' tshirts, hats etc. and ad revenue made from "RonPaul.com" should have gone to the campaign.

Jesse Benton's mansion should've had a bigger window?

 

[itshappening]

I agree. And wouldn't you think that most people who were buying those shirts assumed a donation was being made?

If you look at their facebook page when they announced the complaint was made a lot of them were "I thought this WAS officially Ron Paul, i'm unliking this"

 

[newbitech]

Matt only pops in to post that ronpaul.com is untrustworthy. Do not expect any conversation deeper than that. I really don't see how Lew's UN statement is wrong. To be clear you are saying that there is another process he could have gone through that does not even remotely involve the UN? I'm not too informed on domain name laws/legal proceedings. I thought Lew Rockwell's explanation was rather good.

indeed and it was patently false.

he was speaking from ignorance (or lying, take your pick).

 

[PatriotOne]

Because the RP.com guys registered Ron's name in Australia, the international arbitration option must be used. Yes, it is associated with the UN.

yes he had 4 options. One was the WIPO/UN options. Another was NAF, not UN option.

I posted about the NAF yesterday when you brought it up. The NAF (National Arbitration Forum) is a service provider (subcontractor) to ICANN so that argument is not valid. It's possible the NAF might be assigned by ICANN to resolve this dispute anyways.

In 1999, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) selected the National Arbitration Forum (FORUM) as an international dispute resolution provider for domain name disputes.

http://domains.adrforum.com/

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Jesse Benton's mansion should've had a bigger window?

I was thinking more ad time in Iowa, but hey, if you want to be negative then I suppose, yes, Ron Paul's daughter's 'mansion' should have had a bigger window. (I'm not saying money wasn't spent poorly, as I recall, even Matt Collins got a few dollars out of it. I'm simply stating that some of the money made off of Ron Paul's likeness should have gone to Ron Paul. How he decided to spend it would be his prerogative.)

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt, neither is Lew Rockwell in this case. His ICANN/UN statement is evidently bunk. Maybe you should let Mr. Paul's advisers know they are tweeting bad information regarding the ICANN resolution process.

This came from Ron, via Lew.

 

[newbitech]

I posted about the NAF yesterday when you brought it up. The NAF (National Arbitration Forum) is a service provider (subcontractor) to ICANN so that argument is not valid. It's possible the NAF might be assigned by ICANN to resolve this dispute anyways.

In 1999, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) selected the National Arbitration Forum (FORUM) as an international dispute resolution provider for domain name disputes.

http://domains.adrforum.com/

except ICANN is not a UN agency...

Look.

ICANN
WIPO
UN
NAF

Ok? ICANN is not a UN agency, its a United States Corporation. WIPO is a department of the UN. NAF is not a UN agency, it's a United States Corporation.

ICANN says take your pick from this list WIPO ... NAF

Ok?

NAF is not "assigned". Ron Paul literally in every sense of the word appealed to the WIPO, UN. ICANN didn't "make" him do that. No one signed a contract to make him do that. It was a choice.

These are facts, not an arguments.

I can appreciate the misunderstanding. But, 3 lawyers Ron Paul has ought know the difference, yes?

 

[newbitech]

This came from Ron, via Lew.

then, please, let Mr. Paul know he is sadly misinformed.

 

[PatriotOne]

Source? I really doubt that the website operated at a loss. I have asked the owner a couple times now how much he was making off of ad revenue and merchandise. He has not responded either way. Should he simply state that ronpaul.com operated at a loss without providing specifics and evidence I will have lost more respect for him and his site. (I am 99.99% certain that the site would generate a hell of a lot more than he possibly spent on the upkeep etc) The more I read about it, the more I am on Ron Paul's side of the argument.

Same here. I'm not sure what would motivate them to operate the site at a loss if they weren't even donating to the campaign. Makes no sense to me.

The source was the owner of ronpaul.com himself. He updated his blog in response to some of the comments. Here's what he said:

The idea that we got rich off this site is flattering but completely untrue. Many people are trying to achieve the libertarian dream Ron Paul was fortunate enough to realize for himself: making a living while promoting the cause of liberty. Yet almost nobody achieves it. We never did. (Details will be provided in our defense.)

This site has been a financial and physical drain for many years but we kept working on it out of our loyalty to, and enthusiasm about, Ron Paul and the message of liberty.

 

[angelatc]

Seeing Lew being the only celebrity mouthpiece weighing in on this just seems to confirm my hunch that the Lew Rockwell wing is feeling sad that they're not being invited to cash in on the C4L, and he wants to use the Ron Paul site to essentially revive the newsletters for a new generation.

I think, although I will never be able to prove it, and this is of course sheer speculation, it also indicates that Lew is probably accessing Ron Paul's Twitter, and that he probably wrote the Kyle tweet specifically to appeal to the radical libertarians - his personal cash cow.