Ron Paul: The Only White Male Republican to Vote For Repeal of 'Don't Ask Don't Tell'

[Kojac]

...So people are getting pretty worked up here.
1: The military functions as a brotherhood, a family, epsecially on the smallest levels.
2: The military is populated with a lot of folks who are not the brightest individuals; stereotyping is abundant.
3: Straight women are already sexual outsiders in this environment, and it is difficult for them to break through purely professional interaction and become family.
4: Openly gay/lesbian servicemembers introduce to the system an even smaller minority of sexual outsiders that have even more extreme pre-existing stereotypes.
5: Forced, awkward professionalism does not cut it in dangerous situations. Family and brotherhood within a unit protects the members and helps them get the job done faster and better.

 

[erowe1]

5: Forced, awkward professionalism does not cut it in dangerous situations. Family and brotherhood within a unit protects the members and helps them get the job done faster and better.

Get what job done faster and better?

 

[Kojac]

Any job the unit has to complete together. There are quite a few tasks that are done by all the different MOS's that require teamwork. I know from personal experience that these jobs/missions/etc. go smoothly and quickly when a squad is like a tight knit group of brothers. Introduce a female who can't break the wall of professionalism, and it starts to break that down.

This isn't to say that some females don't integrate well, but they have to prove to every individual they work with that they aren't filling those stereotypes, that they have our backs, and it's ok for us to trust them.

 

[zade]

Why shouldn't people care if someone is gay? We are discussing a moral issue here. And gays do not have a right to be gay, so they need to stop getting society to accept their nasty lifestyle.

I support the repeal simply because, among other reasons, it makes people like you mad

 

[00_Pete]

Its sickening how even people on this forum, people that should be aware how there are dark forces out there trying to control Mankind, people that should be able to think "outside the box" are brainwashed like this, its unbelievable.

Every nation and culture that doesnt live under the influence of the "anglo-american" media, show business and intellectualoids dont want this cancer around...why? Because they still have their common sense intact and because their cultures, products of thousands of years of lessons, of thousands of years of trial-and-error, tells them that this cancer is the last stage before the collapse.

Everyone with a little bit of common sense left knows how twisted this people are and how the notion that this people just want to be left alone is pure nonsense.

I just hope all you pro-homos and your sons and daughters are the first ones to bit the dust when the Western Armies becomes Brown Shirts with high-tech weapons. A mayor in Germany recommended their constituents to hide their sons and daughters when the Brown Shirts were in town and one of the reasons the German Army gave an ultimatum to Hitler regarding the Brown Shirts was a scandalous report by the Berlin Police that exposed how the cases of violence against woman exploded and the main responsibles was the Brown Shirts. Before this people go after our woman, sons and daughters i hope they go after your loved ones first so your stupid selfs are the first ones to get a hard lesson. Fools...

 

[erowe1]

Any job the unit has to complete together. There are quite a few tasks that are done by all the different MOS's that require teamwork. I know from personal experience that these jobs/missions/etc. go smoothly and quickly when a squad is like a tight knit group of brothers. Introduce a female who can't break the wall of professionalism, and it starts to break that down.

"Jobs"..."missions"....

These sound like euphemisms to me. What kinds of things are you talking about? Do you mean like murdering people and destroying others' property in invasions and occupations of other sovereign nations? Or what?

What exactly are the things that we are supposed to want the military to do faster and better?

 

[specsaregood]

@Pete, do you consider yourself respectful and a defender of private property rights?

 

[zade]

Its sickening how even people on this forum, people that should be aware how there are dark forces out there trying to control Mankind, people that should be able to think "outside the box" are brainwashed like this, its unbelievable.

Every nation and culture that doesnt live under the influence of the "anglo-american" media, show business and intellectualoids dont want this cancer around...why? Because they still have their common sense intact and because their cultures, products of thousands of years of lessons, of thousands of years of trial-and-error, tells them that this cancer is the last stage before the collapse.

Everyone with a little bit of common sense left knows how twisted this people are and how the notion that this people just want to be left alone is pure nonsense.

I just hope all you pro-homos and your sons and daughters are the first ones to bit the dust when the Western Armies becomes Brown Shirts with high-tech weapons. A mayor in Germany recommended their constituents to hide their sons and daughters when the Brown Shirts were in town and one of the reasons the German Army gave an ultimatum to Hitler regarding the Brown Shirts was a scandalous report by the Berlin Police that exposed how the cases of violence against woman exploded and the main responsibles was the Brown Shirts. Before this people go after our woman, sons and daughters i hope they go after your loved ones first so your stupid selfs are the first ones to get a hard lesson. Fools...

 

[RM918]

Its sickening how even people on this forum, people that should be aware how there are dark forces out there trying to control Mankind, people that should be able to think "outside the box" are brainwashed like this, its unbelievable.

Every nation and culture that doesnt live under the influence of the "anglo-american" media, show business and intellectualoids dont want this cancer around...why? Because they still have their common sense intact and because their cultures, products of thousands of years of lessons, of thousands of years of trial-and-error, tells them that this cancer is the last stage before the collapse.

Everyone with a little bit of common sense left knows how twisted this people are and how the notion that this people just want to be left alone is pure nonsense.

I just hope all you pro-homos and your sons and daughters are the first ones to bit the dust when the Western Armies becomes Brown Shirts with high-tech weapons. A mayor in Germany recommended their constituents to hide their sons and daughters when the Brown Shirts were in town and one of the reasons the German Army gave an ultimatum to Hitler regarding the Brown Shirts was a scandalous report by the Berlin Police that exposed how the cases of violence against woman exploded and the main responsibles was the Brown Shirts. Before this people go after our woman, sons and daughters i hope they go after your loved ones first so your stupid selfs are the first ones to get a hard lesson. Fools...

I'm not foolish enough to believe that just because someone, for some reason, has a tendency to chase after the wrong gender makes them less than human.

 

[literatim]

Initially maybe, but things would settle down in short order. Any persistent issues would be a leadership issue. Good leaders do not let little problems become big problems.

I remember when we first started getting females in our forward units. There were minor issues here and there but the leaders made sure everyone knew anything short of professional behavior would not be tolerated. Minor problems were addressed immediately and everyone quickly understood the UCMJ would be enforced.

UCMJ isn't exactly stopping the rapes.

 

[Fredom101]

The gay thing is a distraction issue.

More importantly, why are we getting extorted from and robbed at gunpoint to pay for said killing machine?

 

[MelissaWV]

I'd love to give Pete a hug, if only to watch in amusement as he tries to wash my contaminating gayness from himself for hours on end.

I also love the idea that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed into the military (which, again, is an impossible standard to uphold, unless you have a scientific "gay" test) because of some moral objection. Of course, we only want the most moral of people killing innocents and guilty alike from afar with massive weaponry for the defense and obtaining of earthly, material possessions.

 

[Kojac]

"Jobs"..."missions"....

These sound like euphemisms to me. What kinds of things are you talking about? Do you mean like murdering people and destroying others' property in invasions and occupations of other sovereign nations? Or what?

What exactly are the things that we are supposed to want the military to do faster and better?

Are you seriously accusing me and my fellow Marines of murder and wanton destruction of the property of others? You are way off base. I don't even know what to say to you, because you've believed such a massive lie. What's next? Do I now kill and eat babies? Do I summarily execute prisoners? Do I snipe children who are doing nothing more than ask for candy and other goodies from us?

Who have you been listening to? Go to Afghanistan yourself and see what's going on. There are civilian flights into at least one of the cities, and you can travel out from there. I recommend arming yourself. Good luck avoiding the IED's.


@ MelissaWV: I can tell you that there are very few natural resources in our Afghanistan AO, unless you think dust is a natural resource. Our purpose there is extremely simple, however hard you find this to believe: We kill or drive out Taliban forces and their allies, and we bring economic and humanitarian aid to the people (because the more they like us, the more they help us get rid of the people destabilizing that region of the world, which, unless you've forgotten, is right next to Iran)

I can understand when people say it isn't in our country's personal interest to be over there. I can understand when they say we can't afford it. I don't understand when people think we're doing horrible, atrocious things over there. You've got to be as high as a kite to believe that.

 

[tnvoter]

No, initially he said it was a "fair" policy. And then later he talked to people affected by it and discovered it was not being enforced as a "fair" policy. My interpretation was that he thought it was being enforced as a type of "no fraternization" policy and when he found out it was being used as a discrimination policy he changed his position and said he would change such a policy.

^This

 

[erowe1]

Are you seriously accusing me and my fellow Marines of murder and wanton destruction of the property of others?

I don't know you and didn't accuse you of anything. I just asked what things you are suggesting we should want the military to do better? If it's not murdering people and destroying others' property in sovereign countries that we invade and occupy, then what? I'm not saying there are no other possible things that you could mean. I just don't know what you do mean and need you to tell me. It's not a rhetorical question. I just want to know where you're coming from, so whatever your honest answer to that question is will suffice.

At any rate, leaving anything personal out of this, you do agree that our government uses the military to invade and occupy other sovereign foreign nations by way of murdering people and destroying others' property right? So those are at least some of the things our military does, which it might do "faster and better" under other circumstances (and whether it would do them faster or better with openly gay soldiers or without them, I leave to others to say).

Edit: Incidentally, if it will make any difference and help you see that I wasn't trying to get personal, my take on this is pretty much the same as my take on the great majority of what the government does. I don't want to make the government more efficient. I see its endemic inefficiency as one of government's few saving graces, and the less efficiently it can accomplish what it sets out to do (whether that be policing the world, indoctrinating our youth, centrally managing the economy, or what have you) the better. Any time anybody suggests that government should adopt a policy that will make it do the things it does faster and better, it's always worth asking what things we're talking about and why we should want the government to do them better.

 

[Kojac]

Government ought to be efficient and small. The 9th and 10th Amendment are SUPPOSED to protect us by pointing out that the federal government's powers are enumerated in the Constitution. Now, if it did as it was supposed to, it would allow the states to have a common voice in world matters, and it would be equipped with tools to help defend our freedoms from threats within and outside our borders.

 

[erowe1]

Government ought to be efficient and small.

I agree that they ought to be small, but not that they ought to be efficient.

And the less they stick to being small, the more inefficient I want them to be.

 

[Meatwasp]

talking about the pile of naked Iraqis our military did . A friend was talking to some farmers in North Dakota. The farmer thought that was awful and my friend said"Hell in San Fransisco they pay to have that done to them". Heh
Sorry

 

[kylejack]

Ron Paul didn't say it was a fair policy, he said it was a "good policy", at least if we are talking about his debate appearance. And no, it was not a good or fair policy, and I am glad Ron is now paying attention and has reversed course.

 

[seeker4sho]

Fixed it.

Wrong! They serve our country just like the rest of us do. Also, they bleed and die just like the rest of us serving this country.