Ron Paul R3volution falls victim to Trump and frustration

[Matt Collins]

Sadly, an accurate write-up....

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/14/ron-paul-revolution-falls-victim-frustration-donal/

 

[dannno]

Victim? So far it's the best thing that has happened.. that may be a a little unfortunate, but it's not negative...

This shit isn't going to turn around over night.

 

[dannno]

“Maybe Donald Trump is the guy who can break up the deep state so someone like Ron or Rand can get in and legislate to make the changes we want.“After all,” he said, “to make changes you have to cut the dragon’s head off.”

Ya

 

[thoughtomator]

Every single one of the complainers' quotes are basically complete bullshit - every one, without exception. And that is typical of Paulers who haven't hopped on board the Trump train, they are reacting illogically, emotionally, and are more butthurt than rational.

A lot of sour grapes from a lot of people who really should know better.

 

[dannno]

Every single one of the complainers' quotes are basically complete bullshit - every one, without exception. And that is typical of Paulers who haven't hopped on board the Trump train, they are reacting illogically, emotionally, and are more butthurt than rational.

A lot of sour grapes from a lot of people who really should know better.

Ya, Trump isn't anywhere close to a perfect libertarian, but when you start talking about partisanship and saying things like Trump is no better than Obama, that is just ignorant..

The whole issue with partisanship was that Bush and Gore, Bush and Kerry, Dole and Clinton, Obama and McCain, Romney - these people are all evil - they are all deep staters. It was no better to support one over the other. Trump is not in the same category as these people. He may be on some issues, and may not be as passionate about some issues as we are, but he is not working for the deep state. He even has some deep state folks in his cabinet, but that is to further his goals - he does not have the same goals as the deep state, in fact they are quite opposed to each other.

Ron Paul even brought some Green Party folks in to semi-endorse in one election. They are socialists.. But they aren't part of the deep state. I think some people just don't "get it". Or they think Trump is a deep state guy cause he is really rich or something.

 

[thoughtomator]

Also when they talk about Trump's tariff policy as if some free market existed that the tariffs were disrupting, that tells me that these people either have financial vested interests they are not disclosing, or are amazingly ill-informed about the reality of just how bad US international trade arrangements have been.

None of these are serious people, and that renders the article itself non-serious. The article also makes an additional claim, without quote or attribution, that some are upset about Trump lying - which to me is a red flag that the author is a Communist, as that is one of their signature lines.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Glass is half empty and beltway libertarian lamentations.

 

[CaptUSA]

Sorry, guys - this article is right. Look around in here. Just because you have been conned into the Trump bandwagon doesn't mean "most" of us have.

Most of us have abandoned this place and returned to apathy. That's the fact.

Hell, I almost would have preferred a Hillary win at this point. At least then, we'd be united in opposition to the growing State. But alas, many of you are now cheering for it. If you can't see what Trump has done to the Ron Paul R3VOLution, then you are indeed blind.

“Ron Paul, if he taught us one thing, it was right from wrong and not partisanship,” said Jane Aitken, co-founder the New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition and taxpayer advocate. “I am finding that people have forgotten that they are all of a sudden very partisan.”

“We saw it with the Obamabots; we are seeing it with Trump now,” she said. “People put all their eggs in one basket with one person. It goes against common sense.”

She has become jaded when it comes to national politics and has decided she can do more at the state and local levels.

Admittedly, Trump has done some good things, but the damage done to the principles of true liberty will probably never be repaired in my lifetime.

 

[Origanalist]

Every single one of the complainers' quotes are basically complete bullshit - every one, without exception. And that is typical of Paulers who haven't hopped on board the Trump train, they are reacting illogically, emotionally, and are more butthurt than rational.

A lot of sour grapes from a lot of people who really should know better.

They haven't hopped on the Trump bandwagon for the same reason Ron Paul hasn't, I'll wait until his second term (which I believe he'll get), before I make any solid judgements. But so far he's way too much of a copsucker, way too much of a cheerleader for the police state/surveillance state/ military industrial complex to give him much support in my opinion. Put those aside and he has a couple redeeming qualities, but I can't/won't put them aside.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sorry, guys - this article is right. Look around in here. Just because you have been conned into the Trump bandwagon doesn't mean "most" of us have.

Most of us have abandoned this place and returned to apathy. That's the fact.

Hell, I almost would have preferred a Hillary win at this point. At least then, we'd be united in opposition to the growing State. But alas, many of you are now cheering for it. If you can't see what Trump has done to the Ron Paul R3VOLution, then you are indeed blind.



Admittedly, Trump has done some good things, but the damage done to the principles of true liberty will probably never be repaired in my lifetime.

Even if you were right that would just mean that most libertarians don't know how to win, they would rather complain about not getting perfection than appreciate the progress that is being made and they would rather go to hell in a handbasket than make incremental improvements.

We have no chance at this point to see our entire agenda enacted all at once but we can move the mainstream our direction so that one day we might be able to.

Fortunately I don't believe you that the losertarians are the majority of the movement, I think that you are just the loudest fraction.

 

[thoughtomator]

More ditched this place when a certain someone was allowed to run a Stalinist purge of anyone who had anything neutral or better to say about Trump.

Trump, meanwhile, has turned out to be the most libertarian President in living memory, taking cue after cue after cue from Rand Paul, and future prospects for enactment of libertarian policy are as bright as they have been in ages. Which leaves alleged libertarians who grasp for weak excuses to be anti-Trump with an unbridgable credibility chasm.

 

[Origanalist]

Even if you were right that would just mean that most libertarians don't know how to win, they would rather complain about not getting perfection than appreciate the progress that is being made and they would rather go to hell in a handbasket than make incremental improvements.

We have no chance at this point to see our entire agenda enacted all at once but we can move the mainstream our direction so that one day we might be able to.

Fortunately I don't believe you that the losertarians are the majority of the movement, I think that you are just the loudest fraction.

Losertarians? Fucking really? Are you Micheal Medved? Curious minds want to know, because that would explain a lot.

 

[Swordsmyth]

They haven't hopped on the Trump bandwagon for the same reason Ron Paul hasn't, I'll wait until his second term (which I believe he'll get), before I make any solid judgements. But so far he's way too much of a copsucker, way too much of a cheerleader for the police state/surveillance state/ military industrial complex to give him much support in my opinion. Put those aside and he has a couple redeeming qualities, but I can't/won't put them aside.

I stand with Rand, I will support Trump in everything he does right and against his enemies that are worse than him until I have a better option to replace him with.

 

[Origanalist]

More ditched this place when a certain someone was allowed to run a Stalinist purge of anyone who had anything neutral or better to say about Trump.

Trump, meanwhile, has turned out to be the most libertarian President in living memory, taking cue after cue after cue from Rand Paul, and future prospects for enactment of libertarian policy are as bright as they have been in ages. Which leaves alleged libertarians who grasp for weak excuses to be anti-Trump with an unbridgable credibility chasm.

Concern trolling.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Losertarians? $#@!ing really? Are you Micheal Medved? Curious minds want to know, because that would explain a lot.

If you read carefully Uncle Joe you will see that that is my name for a sub-faction of libertarians that would rather lose than accept imperfect results, they are very good at losing but they haven't the faintest idea how to win.

 

[Origanalist]

If you read carefully Uncle Joe you will see that that is my name for a sub-faction of libertarians that would rather lose than accept imperfect results, they are very good at losing but they haven't the faintest idea how to win.

Uh huh, I guess we'll see how much 'winning' we've done by the end of his second term. From a libertarian perspective.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They haven't hopped on the Trump bandwagon for the same reason Ron Paul hasn't, I'll wait until his second term (which I believe he'll get), before I make any solid judgements. But so far he's way too much of a copsucker, way too much of a cheerleader for the police state/surveillance state/ military industrial complex to give him much support in my opinion. Put those aside and he has a couple redeeming qualities, but I can't/won't put them aside.

This is my biggest problem with Trump.

On many other fronts, he is moving the ball forward in positive ways.

Overall, after two years now of watching this, we are in better shape than if Hillary had been appointed, and that's a plain fact.

 

[Origanalist]

This is my biggest problem with Trump.

On many other fronts, he is moving the ball forward in positive ways.

Overall, after two years now of watching this, we are in better shape than if Hillary had been appointed, and that's a plain fact.

Ya, there's no denying that. 8 years of that evil crone after 8 of Obama may have been more than the planet could handle, much less me.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

They haven't hopped on the Trump bandwagon for the same reason Ron Paul hasn't, I'll wait until his second term (which I believe he'll get), before I make any solid judgements. But so far he's way too much of a copsucker, way too much of a cheerleader for the police state/surveillance state/ military industrial complex to give him much support in my opinion. Put those aside and he has a couple redeeming qualities, but I can't/won't put them aside.

Ron Paul has not jumped on the Trump train, and he has not come down with Trump Derangment Syndrome. He is just doing his usual reasoned analysis, pointing out the good, pointing out the bad, supporting the good, opposing the bad. And yes, the worse thing Trump does is his support of the bloated warfare/surveillance state, even though it is fun to see them go into fits every time he deviates from their propaganda talking points.

For some reason it appears that many don’t pay attention to Ron any more, even on this forum. Maybe because he hasn’t taken sides, and also because some people here only agreed with Ron on certain issues, maybe even just a couple.

He is not running for office now, which is also a huge factor. The article does significantly leave out the Freedom Caucus, which for the most part evolved from the Tea Party movement. There are good members of Congress that came from the Ron Paul moment, such as Thomas Massie, Justin Amash and several others that did not tie themselves to Ron Paul directly.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ya, there's no denying that. 8 years of that evil crone after 8 of Obama may have been more than the planet could handle, much less me.

Hear hear...granted, before anybody breathes fire down the back of my neck, that's not to excuse any of the chowder headed things Trump has or may do.

Just pointing it, on the overall "freedom front" we have had some gains.