Ron Paul: Our Liberties Come From Our Creator

[Ex Lux lucis]

Have you ever taken antibiotics?

Pesticide? Or herbicide?

 

[Ranger29860]

Pesticide? Or herbicide?

Also ever bought a dog,cat or raised cattle, chickens, or ever eaten a banana

 

[Dr.3D]

Are we to confuse selective breeding with evolution?

 

[Ranger29860]

Are we to confuse selective breeding with evolution?

Selective breeding is us hijacking evolution so yes

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

Also ever bought a dog,cat or raised cattle, chickens, or ever eaten a banana

Actually, I think nearly every single domesticated animal, and every species of plant used for agricultural or decorative purposes have undergone artificial selection at some point. Which is proof on some level for evolution, as it is evidence for an important aspect of it(e.g. heritability of traits)

 

[Dr.3D]

Selective breeding is us hijacking evolution so yes

Well, that throws out survival of the fittest. Yeah, they didn't survive, because we decided they weren't fit.

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

Well, that throws out survival of the fittest. Yeah, they didn't survive, because we decided they weren't fit.

No, it doesn't. "Fit" in the sense of "Survival of the Fittest" refers to how the organism fares in its environment, not how "strong" it is. We as humans simply determined which specimens were "fit" for our purposes, and ensured only they passed on their genetic material.

 

[Ranger29860]

Well, that throws out survival of the fittest. Yeah, they didn't survive, because we decided they weren't fit.

YOUR RIGHT! because survival of the fittest does not apply to a controlled environment. In the wild most breeds of dogs would not survive. The only reason they exist is because we choose to provide an environment in which they can survive.

 

[libertybrewcity]

I find it really cheapens any sort of theological discussion when things like this are brought up. You can disagree with people without belittling them.

Hey, stop persecuting me for my beliefs.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Actually, I think nearly every single domesticated animal, and every species of plant used for agricultural or decorative purposes have undergone artificial selection at some point. Which is proof on some level for evolution, as it is evidence for an important aspect of it(e.g. heritability of traits)

Uh... what?

 

[Dr.3D]

Uh... what?

Yeah, one can only hope when enough go out on a limb, it will break off and prove natural selection works.

 

[AZKing]

Otherwise, it's just indoctrination.

I don't see how parents dictating what's taught isn't indoctrination, especially if they choose to totally ignore or defame particular portions of science because it doesn't agree with what they were taught as a kid. It's not state indoctrination, but it's indoctrination nonetheless.

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

Uh... what?

What wasn't clear? For evolution to be true, a necessary condition is the heritability of traits through genes. Artificial selection involves the selection of these traits through breeding through offspring. And for example, every variety of dog we have is the offspring of artificial selection.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You're reaching pretty hard, lucis. But, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

I don't see how parents dictating what's taught isn't indoctrination, especially if they choose to totally ignore or defame particular portions of science. It's not state indoctrination, but it's indoctrination nonetheless.

It isn't really indoctrination either if evidence is presented and taught and it is explained that evolution is currently accepted because it presents the best explanation for observable phenomena.

 

[Ranger29860]

Uh... what?

Heritability of traits


Are traits that are based on recessive and dominant genes, They idea is used to selectively breed plants and animals to have certain traits. Your parents have brown hair and eyes so you most likely will have brown hair and eyes. It shows variation in genes and how differences in traits are possible in offspring.

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

You're reaching pretty hard, lucis. But, whatever floats your boat.

I'm sorry if I present myself to be an expert - I never had that intent. It's completely possible I said something stupid, or downright wrong. What exactly did I say?

 

[Ex Lux lucis]

I'm sorry if I present myself to be an expert - I never had that intent. It's completely possible I said something stupid, or downright wrong. What exactly did I say?

Sorry if I also seem to be preaching at all. Not my intent.

 

[swatmc]

Pretty interesting...

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Have you ever taken antibiotics?

Read the rest of my post.