Ron Paul May Have Just Secretly Won Iowa

Yeah, no kidding. A lot of panicked/debbie-downer posts on here.

What place did McCain come in during the last Iowa caucuses? :)

The delegates are how Ron Paul gets elected, so this is of paramount importance. Imagine if you have a majority at every state convention. They can't railroad that many people.

You guys are such obvious newbies! Anyway, I like to see your unflappable enthusiasm. I completely endorse any and all secret plans to score delegates and attend the state conventions and mess with the GOP. We did it four years ago and it was great fun. It may have even done some good here and there.
 
What place did McCain come in during the last Iowa caucuses?
McCain had the MSM behind him , Paul doesn't
Like it or not guys the MSM still calls the shots , but their power IS on the decline.
 
:confused:

Yeah--I heard that in 2008 and where'd it get us?

"Part of what we've been training the Ron Paul people to do is not to leave after the vote," Dan Godzich, a senior campaign advisor, told BI. "Stay and get elected to the conventions and get us those delegates."

I don't remember any organized effort on the part of the campaign to accomplish this in 2008.
 
I don't remember any organized effort on the part of the campaign to accomplish this in 2008.

it was there... just very late in the game.
this time around should be a lot different now that C4L has had a chance to set up shop and keep a lot of people organized for 2012.
 
so any idea how many fully committed delegates we are sure on last night?

They're not committed ... and they won't be selected until June:
http://iowacity.patch.com/articles/new-delegate-rules-may-provide-twist-to-presidential-race

Well, our observant friends, that's because unlike most states, Iowa's delegates are not awarded on the date the state votes. They are actually selected at the state convention in June, completing a process of winnowing out delegates that begins on Jan. 3.

Redlawsk, who used to teach at the University of Iowa and co-authored a book about the state's lead off status, said the Jan. 3 vote for president is essentially a "beauty contest" that has little connection to who the final delegates will give their vote. Iowa's value as a state contest has not, and never really will be, about delegates, he said.

"What's important about Iowa and New Hampshire is not actually what happens, it's a matter of how media focuses based on the results," Redlawsk said. "Its symbolic value is huge."

Redlawsk said Iowa's delegates are nominated at the precinct level, then further sorted at each level at the county and district conventions. Then, at the state convention the delegates from this pool are chosen to represent the state at the National Convention.

Hagle said that delegates are selected for different reasons, some of which have to do with what candidates they profess to support. Still, there is no law or rule binding these delegates to vote for a particular candidate. But since the race is usually decided by June, all of the delegates usually end up voting for the last- standing candidate.
 
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DES MOINES — Ron Paul may have officially come in third tonight, but if the campaign's caucus strategy went off as planned, then Paul may actually be the real winner of the first Republican voting contest.

That's because Paul's massive organizational push in Iowa focused on both winning votes, and also on making sure that Paul supporters stuck around after the vote to make sure they were selected as county delegates — the first step towards being elected as a delegate to the Republican National Convention.

That's because Iowa's Republican caucuses are non-binding — they are technically just a straw poll, so once selected, delegates are free to vote for whichever presidential candidate they choose.

"Part of what we've been training the Ron Paul people to do is not to leave after the vote," Dan Godzich, a senior campaign advisor, told BI. "Stay and get elected to the conventions and get us those delegates."

Godzich and Sydney Hay, another Paul advisor, crisscrossed Iowa in the weeks leading up to the caucuses, making sure precinct leaders knew what to do and organizing slates of delegates that would ensure Paul walked away with a strong majority, even if he lost the caucus' straw poll vote.

By the eve of Election Day, Hay said she was confident that Paul would come away from Iowa with a strong majority of the state's delegates. It's a good first step toward making sure that Paul has a strong presence on the floor in Tampa this summer — something that his supporters believe will help force the Republican party to start reckoning with their Movement.

UPDATE: 1:40 a.m.

Sources close to the Paul campaign indicated Tuesday that they were happy with their delegate count. Although we couldn't get specific numbers, a source told Business Insider that Paul nailed down the delegates in all of Iowa's smaller counties, and made a strong showing in several larger ones.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201#ixzz1iVCE6LAi
 
(01-04) 00:13 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won most of the delegates in the Iowa Republican caucuses Tuesday, edging former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

Iowa's delegates to the national convention are not bound by the results of the caucuses. But an Associated Press analysis showed Romney would win 13 and Santorum would win 12, if there were no changes in their support as the campaign wears on.

Twenty-five delegates were at stake in the caucuses. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas came in third in the voting but was shut out of delegates because he didn't win any of Iowa's four congressional districts.

Romney and Santorum each won two congressional districts, and Romney was the statewide winner by a mere eight votes, according to final results announced early Wednesday by the Iowa GOP.

A total of 2,286 delegates are slated to go to the party's national convention. Support from a majority — 1,144 — is needed to claim the Republican nomination to take on incumbent President Barack Obama.

Iowa Republicans use a multi-step process to elect national delegates, starting with local caucuses. On Tuesday, caucus-goers elected delegates to county conventions, who in turn will elect delegates to congressional district conventions and the state party convention in June. These are the conventions where delegates to the GOP national convention in Tampa, Fla., are selected.

Each of the four congressional districts will elect three delegates to the national convention. They will also appoint two members to a slate committee, which will choose 13 additional delegates. The slate is voted on at the party's state convention in June.

The system puts a premium on getting the most votes in individual congressional districts. If a candidate's supporters can control a congressional district convention, they can choose national delegates and slate committee members who support their candidate.

In Iowa and other caucus states, the AP uses the results from local caucuses to calculate the number of national delegates each candidate will win, if the candidates maintain the same level of support throughout the process. The AP will update delegate totals, if support for the candidates changes.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/01/04/national/w000327S17.DTL#ixzz1iVFQaRem

I should know better than to trust the MSM, but the AP is painting the opposite picture. :(
 
I was elected a delegate, and our other delgate for our precinct is a Paul supporter as well. :)
 
This isn't how I observed it on CSPAN last night. They showed a single precinct, with straw poll totals similar to what we ended up with. That precinct had six delegates to send to state (or county). Based on the percentages, they gave 3 to Romney, 2 to Santorum and 1 to Paul (asking a representative from each camp to select their delegates at that time). Due to integer arithmetic, this may give Romney a 3 to 1 advantage over us in selecting delegates at state. :(

Here in Colorado, it does work the way it does in this article, but we're too late in the process and not nearly as organized as Iowa.
 
What does this table mean?

The Green Papers
2012 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/IA-R

6 unpledged delegates each for Mitt, Rick, and Ron
I'm not sure what it means.
It may mean that if we insult enough older voters and baby boomers for being socialist dumasses, then the available delegates can go fuck themselves and we can take our 6 to the national convention in Tampa.
Or the younger generation can work with the older generation to explain to the available delegates how Ron Paul is the true conservative in the race and end up with 16 delegates that go to Tampa committed to vote for Ron.
 
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