Ron Paul May Have Just Secretly Won Iowa

[mmadness]

This isn't how I observed it on CSPAN last night. They showed a single precinct, with straw poll totals similar to what we ended up with. That precinct had six delegates to send to state (or county). Based on the percentages, they gave 3 to Romney, 2 to Santorum and 1 to Paul (asking a representative from each camp to select their delegates at that time). Due to integer arithmetic, this may give Romney a 3 to 1 advantage over us in selecting delegates at state.

Here in Colorado, it does work the way it does in this article, but we're too late in the process and not nearly as organized as Iowa.

You saw the same thing I did. However, did you see how disorganized the other campaigns were and how soft the support was? I think only a handful of people stayed and these people will not be as committed to showing up to the county conventions like our support.

Strategy to get delegates in this situation in another post I did: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...!-DID-RON-PAUL-JUST-WIN&p=3955021#post3955021

 

[tropicangela]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaksotEHZJY

 

[Ninja Homer]

This isn't how I observed it on CSPAN last night. They showed a single precinct, with straw poll totals similar to what we ended up with. That precinct had six delegates to send to state (or county). Based on the percentages, they gave 3 to Romney, 2 to Santorum and 1 to Paul (asking a representative from each camp to select their delegates at that time). Due to integer arithmetic, this may give Romney a 3 to 1 advantage over us in selecting delegates at state.

Here in Colorado, it does work the way it does in this article, but we're too late in the process and not nearly as organized as Iowa.

You'd probably find that that's an exception to the rule. Precinct delegates are chosen however the precinct decides to choose them, and they use Robert's Rules to figure that out. The Chairman probably railroaded it that way, and if people don't know the rules or how to stop it, then they probably wouldn't even know it was being done or how to stop it. If you're in a caucus state, you really need to know Robert's Rules as well as the rules for delegate selection.

The way most precincts probably did it was to just take volunteers for their delegate spots at the end, after most people already left after voting. Then if they have more volunteers then delegate spots, they might ask if anybody wants to just be an alternate rather than a full delegate, and if there are still more volunteers than delegate spots, then they'll probably vote on who will be delegates.

A well-organized campaign with well-informed voters can do very well in a caucus state, just because most voters are uninformed to how the system actually works.

 

[Badger Paul]

Some of these media outlets are so full of sh*t it's not funny.

Unlike the Democrats, GOP delegates in Iowa and a lot of caucus states are not bound in any step of the process until the very end. Why AP used this as a moniker I have no idea but take it with a grain of salt. It's crap. Iowans don't select their congressional district delegates until later this spring anyway and how those are picked will depend a lot at what happens at the county level and how those conventions go depends a lot at the precinct level.

Don't assign delegates that aren't assigned. It's not that hard to do. You MFers want a score to point to but sorry, there just isn't one there.

 

[Maltheus]

You'd probably find that that's an exception to the rule. Precinct delegates are chosen however the precinct decides to choose them, and they use Robert's Rules to figure that out. The Chairman probably railroaded it that way, and if people don't know the rules or how to stop it, then they probably wouldn't even know it was being done or how to stop it. If you're in a caucus state, you really need to know Robert's Rules as well as the rules for delegate selection.

The way most precincts probably did it was to just take volunteers for their delegate spots at the end, after most people already left after voting. Then if they have more volunteers then delegate spots, they might ask if anybody wants to just be an alternate rather than a full delegate, and if there are still more volunteers than delegate spots, then they'll probably vote on who will be delegates.

A well-organized campaign with well-informed voters can do very well in a caucus state, just because most voters are uninformed to how the system actually works.

Yes, I did kind of get that impression. The chairman proposed the "fair" distribution of delegates, someone quickly seconded and everyone ayed. But whose to say that didn't happen elsewhere?

 

[mmadness]

Yes, I did kind of get that impression. The chairman proposed the "fair" distribution of delegates, someone quickly seconded and everyone ayed. But whose to say that didn't happen elsewhere?

Hmm - so this might not be standard procedure? Hmm... Looks like we'll have to up our game. Stealth and learn the process!


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[Todd]

It's one thing to be bummed. It's completely another thing to be posting trash like "it's over" all over the forums. When half the people here start spewing that crap, I'm going to fight back damnit.

qft.


How many people in 08' got all butt hurt and left the entire movement because of crap like that.

 

[WyoLiberty]

http://www.infowarriorsunited.com/ron-paul-doubles-vote-tally-captures-equal-number-of-delegates-as-romney-andsantorum/

Last night was a huge success.

 

[tropicangela]

Ron Paul Campaign Celebrates Great Victory at Iowa Caucus

Paul makes history in first-in-nation voting state

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign is celebrating a great victory with its strong top-three finish at the Iowa Caucus. Below please find comments from Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton:

“The Ron Paul campaign is celebrating a great victory tonight.

“There were three tickets out of Iowa, and Ron Paul earned one of them.

“One of the three tickets, the one belonging to Rick Santorum, is a dead-end due to Santorum’s weak fundraising and lack of national campaign organization.

“This is now a two way race between establishment candidate Mitt Romney and the candidate for real change, Ron Paul.

“Ron Paul has a top notch national organization, tremendous fundraising prowess, and unequaled enthusiasm among his volunteers and supporters.

“Dr. Paul has taken the first step towards earning the delegates it will take to be the GOP nominee and is the only candidate not named Mitt Romney with the ability to do so.

“Ron Paul is now off to New Hampshire, South Carolina, Louisiana, Nevada, Maine, North Dakota, Washington, Colorado, and beyond.

“See you on the campaign trail.”

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/04/ron-paul-campaign-celebrates-great-victory-at-iowa-caucus/

 

[Lucille]

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