Ron Paul May Have Just Secretly Won Iowa

[miyavi]

niceeee

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Yes, we heard about delegates last time in 2008, only then Paul activists were just learning about the process, and there was no brokered convention to utilize the strategem. This time the campaign and movement IS ready to get it done, and it IS likely to force a brokered convention. The media is likely going back to sleep, and won't nearly be as aggressive as they were on Paul in the last three weeks, since they're busy high-fiving each other over having 'won' the Iowa war. Rand's anger (on display tonight) certainly looked like he has "the eye of the tiger" to accept a brokered con nomination as the 'compromise' candidate.

 

[damiengwa]

Reading this article gave me a sigh of relief. When do they report who gets the delegates?

They don't, its just theory. They are relying on the idea that some people stayed after and filled delegate spots, and that we have ghosts pretending to be Romney and Santorum supporters. The easiest camp to infiltrate was probably Santorums.

 

[damiengwa]

Don't count Chris Christie out either.

 

[amy31416]

It's one thing to be bummed. It's completely another thing to be posting trash like "it's over" all over the forums. When half the people here start spewing that crap, I'm going to fight back damnit.

Let me tell you a little story about 2007/2008 and how I railed against the machine, threw curses everywhere all over this forum and wanted to slap kittens after the NH primary--okay, I won't, because it's embarrassing. But we have to vent. We spent a lot of money, invested ourselves emotionally and expected a lot...we '07's were mostly political neophytes then...and even though I'm not anymore, I still feel the same way about Iowa this time around. It is healthy to vent so we can get back to being productive....do not try to stop this, just quietly flag anything that belongs in the vent or might be harmful. Seriously. You know I think you mean well, but we have to purge this.

 

[abstrusezincate]

It's not so much a theory as that you need to watch out for the state committees changing rules on you. But lots of the crotchety people who you see who've been around since '07 got on those committees in states that matter, and I think it'll pay dividends this time.

 

[JulioForPaul]

They don't, its just theory. They are relying on the idea that some people stayed after and filled delegate spots, and that we have ghosts pretending to be Romney and Santorum supporters. The easiest camp to infiltrate was probably Santorums.

We don't need any "ghosts" pretending to be Romney and Santorum supporters. Iowa's delegates are unbound to any candidates. We literally just had to have enough people wait till after the vote and fill delegate spots. This is what we did last election and we doubled our delegates in Iowa compared to what we should have gotten.

 

[samsung1]

How many delegate do you think we got!

 

[JulioForPaul]

It's not so much a theory as that you need to watch out for the state committees changing rules on you. But lots of the crotchety people who you see who've been around since '07 got on those committees in states that matter, and I think it'll pay dividends this time.

Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[JulioForPaul]

How many delegate do you think we got!

If we double our percentages as we did last election we would get 40% (2 x 20) of delegates.... or 10 IOWA DELEGATES. If we are even more organized than last time we could conceivably sweep the delegates. ALL 25.

 

[itsnobody]

Delegates are at all that matter to the GOP nomination process and Iowa is just one state.

 

[mmadness]

We don't need any "ghosts" pretending to be Romney and Santorum supporters. Iowa's delegates are unbound to any candidates. We literally just had to have enough people wait till after the vote and fill delegate spots. This is what we did last election and we doubled our delegates in Iowa compared to what we should have gotten.

Yes, I agree, but if all the Paul delegate and alternate spots are filled, and nobody else is left in the room except for Paul supporters (like what I saw in C-Span), and they still need delegates/alternates for Romney/Santorum, then they will be easier to fill this way instead of just stepping up as a delegate to fill a spot. Of course state rules will vary, some states allow you to just step in, but from what I saw at the Iowa Caucus, you need to "be" for a certain candidate to fill that spot.

 

[RPit]

We're just trying to spin it. There is no way to know we 'stayed'.. We lost and came in 3rd. But 3rd isn't that bad considering how the media manipulated the people in the last minute for Santorum. I think we did good. The fact that Romney got more than us still bothers me but oh well.

We spent A LOT of resources in Iowa. In fact if you think about it we campaigned in that state for 4 years. Campaign for Liberty was always active. And we still came third.

This just says the media is powerful. However much we want to marginalize the effect of media, we're just lying to ourselves. Majority of this country is illiterate (you know what I mean).

We just have to march on. We need to be more aggressive. If any of you were on the sidelines this should be an example of why we lost because of YOU. All those sideliners are a disgrace. They just want a free lunch. You blame those Democrats and welfare-liberals wanting a free lunch from gov. YOU are free-lunchers. You don't want to do shit for Ron Paul. All you know how to do is talk about how much you love Ron Paul on forums like this. You want to express your excitement about Ron on these forums. But when it comes to actions, YOU DON'T do SHIT.

There are people here who are posting so often that I have to wonder if they even have a job. How is it that they can post everything 'up-to-date'. They can post the latest polls that come out. How is it they do that? Seems like most of them are just searching Google News for the whole day, reading things to make themselves feel better, and they are just Ron Paul Addicts. They love to READ. But they don't do SHIT. Why aren't these people on the Phone from Home program. And I'm talking to all of you who post up-do-date info in secs.

Are you like those who post 'first comment' when a new vid pops up in Youtube. Cuz you being first to post that info here isn't going to do anything for this movement.

Let Iowa serve as an example: DO SOMETHING. ANYTHING. Don't just chat on forums.

Ask yourself this. How much time do you spend DOING something FOR Ron Paul. Because watching Tubes, and asking for every single tube that mentions Ron Paul, ISN'T helping. How many interviews did you watch of Ron Paul? How many news channels showings did you watch? How many radio interviews did you listen to? Any time Ron is on some show all you do is ask for tubes and watch it. Does YOU watching Ron speak, when you already agree with him, help him? You could have used that time spent on promoting Ron Paul to people doing the Phone-banking instead of watching videos and listening to radio talks by Ron. Are you just info-addicts? You are so addicted to Ron Paul that the whole day you're looking up anything that has to do with Ron Paul.

Re-assess YOURSELF. What the hell have you been doing. If you have been spending more time watching Tubes and chatting on forums and professing your love for Ron Paul than you have spent on CAMPAIGNING for Ron then YOU are a DISGRACE. And calling yourself a Patriot because you just are a 'Ron Paul Addict' is childish.

 

[Feelgood]

Ron Paul got a whole 4 delegates! WOW we win!

..HOLD..

Santorum and Romney both get 6 delegates. Ok, we didnt win.

 

[samsung1]

If we double our percentages as we did last election we would get 40% (2 x 20) of delegates.... or 10 IOWA DELEGATES. If we are even more organized than last time we could conceivably sweep the delegates. ALL 25.

Amazing!

 

[damiengwa]

Ron Paul got a whole 4 delegates! WOW we win!

..HOLD..

Santorum and Romney both get 6 delegates. Ok, we didnt win.

how are you figuring that? the straw poll doesn't matter.

 

[pacu44]

http://campaign2012.washingtonexami...onfidential/did-ron-paul-just-win-iowa/289986

 

[JulioForPaul]

We're just trying to spin it. There is no way to know we 'stayed'.. We lost and came in 3rd. But 3rd isn't that bad considering how the media manipulated the people in the last minute for Santorum. I think we did good. The fact that Romney got more than us still bothers me but oh well.

We spent A LOT of resources in Iowa. In fact if you think about it we campaigned in that state for 4 years. Campaign for Liberty was always active. And we still came third.

This just says the media is powerful. However much we want to marginalize the effect of media, we're just lying to ourselves. Majority of this country is illiterate (you know what I mean).

We just have to march on. We need to be more aggressive. If any of you were on the sidelines this should be an example of why we lost because of YOU. All those sideliners are a disgrace. They just want a free lunch. You blame those Democrats and welfare-liberals wanting a free lunch from gov. YOU are free-lunchers. You don't want to do shit for Ron Paul. All you know how to do is talk about how much you love Ron Paul on forums like this. You want to express your excitement about Ron on these forums. But when it comes to actions, YOU DON'T blah blah blah

You come across as a pissed off youngster. The most important thing you can do is stick around after you vote and become a delegate in your state. Bound or unbound this is the most important thing you can do. You realize we kicked ass in caucus's last election despite getting shit for voting percentages. We know a lot of Paul supporters stayed behind this time because that is exactly what we did the last election.

It's very possible we got the vast majority of tonight's delegates.

 

[JulioForPaul]

Ron Paul got a whole 4 delegates! WOW we win!

..HOLD..

Santorum and Romney both get 6 delegates. Ok, we didnt win.

This is false. There is no way to know how many delegates certain candidates got.... only on the precinct level. Based on election's results it is very likely we got somewhere between 10-25 delegates because of our devotion and organization.

 

[ronpaulitician]

Meanwhile, in Syria, people vote for liberty by throwing their bodies against bullets fired by machine guns.

We're fighting a well-oiled machine and almost won the first true victory for liberty in centuries. No time to pat ourselves on the back, though. There's still a lot of fighting left to do.