mmadness
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Ron Paul May Have Just Secretly Won Iowa
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Although Delegates matter, it just means that we're winning because of the process. Not because the people have woken up. Do you see what I mean? Winning isn't everything if the country is asleep. The FUTURE of this country is NOT Ron Paul. It is the PEOPLE. Ron Paul is fighting to wake 'em up not just to win the Presidency. My comments need to be understood from the 'people's perspective'.. Not the 'election perspective'.
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If the media wants to mislead people on what is really important. Then the egg is on there faces.
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Yup, but these are NATIONAL delegates, who are not yet determined who they will be.
The people who stayed behind at the caucuses determine who goes to the county conventions, which determine who goes to the state convention, who determines who gets to be the 25 delegates for Iowa. Now these delegates may ALL be Ron Paul supporters, even if they are "bound" to support other candidates. I've heard they can choose to be unbound for certain rounds of voting (i.e. after the 1st round). So think about it.
CNN is estimating National Convention delegates based on the straw poll vote.
In reality, delegates were elected today to go to the County Convention. At the County Convention, delegates will be elected to the Congressional District Caucuses. At the CD Caucuses, delegates will be elected to the State Convention. At the State Convention, delegates will be elected to the National Convention.
It's impossible to know how many National Convention delegates each candidate will receive because there's a four step process that culminates in June at the State Convention.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/IA-R
I am a newb to Iowa inner workings, what is this? I see 6 for Paul... what does this mean? Help
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The media just projects who they think will win the delegates. They aren't decided for sure in IA until March. As you can see, their predictions don't even add up to 25 which is how many delegates IA has. The national delegates will be decided at the state convention by the state delegates. And Paul may have just picked up the most state delegates tonight.
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That's what they'r projecting. It's a "soft" total though so we can still swing things our way.
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Help Ron and spread the important delegates message. We can still train and motivate others in different states from here on out.
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As a Brit, I don't really understand the delegates system, so I won't question this! It's brilliant to know that more delegates could have been picked up despite not having the most amount of votes. I see this has already been tweeted 700+ times. I suspect there are those out there who won't take it very well once it really gets out there, but that's just too bad. 
Time to focus on NH. Who knows, these IA results could still be positive for NH. I can't see many people accepting this "Newt overachieves with 4th" nonsense. Meanwhile, Santorum will become irrelevant again very quickly once they learn a few home truths about him. It's the timing of Santorum's push that was the problem since there wasn't enough time to get the facts out there. At least this time we know full well that a Huntsman "surge" is on the horizon. Next round!
Time to focus on NH. Who knows, these IA results could still be positive for NH. I can't see many people accepting this "Newt overachieves with 4th" nonsense. Meanwhile, Santorum will become irrelevant again very quickly once they learn a few home truths about him. It's the timing of Santorum's push that was the problem since there wasn't enough time to get the facts out there. At least this time we know full well that a Huntsman "surge" is on the horizon. Next round!
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See the little * after Del? This is what it says underneath it:
Del* - The delegate column shows the most recent estimated number of pledged delegates from this state.
How the fuck do they get away with that? I mean this is like MSM mis-representation to a new level. How is it even legal? If you go to that site, it looks as if it is stated as a matter of fact.
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The voting sucks
The CONVENTION is all any party need.
These various styles of caucuses and primaries only keep the media and elites in charge. Forcing the delegates to do whatever the sheeple say is stupid. The sheeple should become delegates!!
The CONVENTION is all any party need.
These various styles of caucuses and primaries only keep the media and elites in charge. Forcing the delegates to do whatever the sheeple say is stupid. The sheeple should become delegates!!
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Not the first time the MSM misrepresents.
But we can use it to our advantage if we know how the system works.
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Ha!
2012 Election Results: Ron Paul 54%, Obama 38%
me3's reaction: "Well, without the Congress, Paul can't really do anything; we might as well be sad."
2012 Congressional Election Results: 55% of Congress are pro-Paul people, all 33 Senators are pro-Paul as well
me3's reaction: "Too bad that the Supreme Court will strike everything down, we should now be sad."
2013 (post-inauguration) shocker news: 6 of the 9 Supreme Court justices have been run over by a truck: President Paul will be able to appoint a bunch of new pro-liberty justices
me3's reaction: "He'll never get them past the Senate; be sad, everyone."
2013 news: Every one of Ron Paul's Supreme Court appointees got approved
me3's reaction: "Aliens are sure to come to earth and melt our brains. Be sad, dammit!!"
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Yeah, no kidding. A lot of panicked/debbie-downer posts on here.
What place did McCain come in during the last Iowa caucuses?
The delegates are how Ron Paul gets elected, so this is of paramount importance. Imagine if you have a majority at every state convention. They can't railroad that many people.
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Damn the torpedoes, man! Bring on the unbound delegates...this thing is far from freaking over!! It is Ron Paul to the end.....
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I am in quite a good mood tonight, though I wasn't earlier. Yes, I was disappointed in the results, but I was wanting Ron Paul to win with 55% of the votes, which was fantastically unrealistic. Then I decided to see what the 2008 nominee garnered, and he got a mere 13% in Iowa. McCain went on to win New Hampshire by a couple of points, which I hope Paul does, but I'm trying to be realistic.
One of the big things that Dr. Paul has going for him is that he is the "anti-war" candidate, and I get the idea that that's a much larger advantage than people like Muttonhead Limbaugh want to admit. The economy is starting a little bit of an upswing, due to the printing of trillions of dollars by the Federal Reserve; it's a new bubble, and Dr. Paul is the only candidate who understands that. The youtube videos of him in 2002 predicting the housing bubble and pointing out the flaws of FHLMC and FNMA are gold--share them with everybody.
The "racist" newsletters, I think, have been played out, and it was the only bullet the anti-Paul coalition had left, when it became obvious that trying to paint him as a looney left-winger on foreign policy wasn't working.
Now, Santorum has to take his turn running through the gauntlet, trying to explain why he endorsed Arlen Specter, etc. I don't think he has the resources to maintain a presence for much longer. Perry may be dropping out. Bachmann says she's staying in, but eventually her staff will have to sit her down and get her to see reality.
One of the big things that Dr. Paul has going for him is that he is the "anti-war" candidate, and I get the idea that that's a much larger advantage than people like Muttonhead Limbaugh want to admit. The economy is starting a little bit of an upswing, due to the printing of trillions of dollars by the Federal Reserve; it's a new bubble, and Dr. Paul is the only candidate who understands that. The youtube videos of him in 2002 predicting the housing bubble and pointing out the flaws of FHLMC and FNMA are gold--share them with everybody.
The "racist" newsletters, I think, have been played out, and it was the only bullet the anti-Paul coalition had left, when it became obvious that trying to paint him as a looney left-winger on foreign policy wasn't working.
Now, Santorum has to take his turn running through the gauntlet, trying to explain why he endorsed Arlen Specter, etc. I don't think he has the resources to maintain a presence for much longer. Perry may be dropping out. Bachmann says she's staying in, but eventually her staff will have to sit her down and get her to see reality.
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The pledged delegates are selected at the state convention in June. This is what the msm is projecting. However these are chosen from county delegates ...which are selected from precinct delegates in April/May. So if we got a buttload of precinct delegates tonight then we take off in other states there is a possibility that Iowa delegates at the national convention will have no problems brokering over to Ron Paul. This is huge for the long run!
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