Ron Paul: I wouldn't support Trump as GOP nominee

[GunnyFreedom]

What in your life has everyone ever chosen to do, politics-wise?

If everyone always boycotts all elections, who wins?

Whichever candidate has the most children of voting age?

 

[jkob]

For you too. Your vote is insignificant, trivial, redundant and meaningless. If your folks win, they would have anyway. If your folks lose, they would have anyway.

For grins and snickers, just skip voting once and see what that effects and changes.

Your shepherds will forgive you.

whatever dude, cry like a baby

this is why libertarians have always been losers, nobody cares if you take your ball and go home. that's exactly what they want.

that's not some great statement you're making by not participating, it's just cutting your nose off to spite your face

 

[Ronin Truth]

whatever dude, cry like a baby

this is why libertarians have always been losers

We libertarians don't vote nor cry, Goober. Get real and a clue!

"People are fucking nuts. This country is full of nitwits and assholes. You ever notice that? Nitwits, assholes, fuckups, scumbags, jerkoffs, and dipshits. And they all vote. In fact, sometimes you get the impression that they’re the only ones who vote." -- George Carlin​

 

[kahless]

Check out the view counts on those videos. He used to reach more people than that in a single speech. Nobody is tuning in but the most hardcore, already-converted RP admirers, and only a small percentage of that group is even bothering to watch.

His days of leading and most importantly growing the movement are over. The peak and decline of the liberty movement directly corresponds with the Rand endorsement of Romney followed by Ron all but dropping out of public view.

This movement had the momentum to completely overwhelm and take over the political system and provide for some real liberty. That momentum crashed with the effective capitulation of the two Pauls, the younger to the establishment, the older to what is essentially a resting-on-laurels retirement. If these principles are as important as they said they are, this abdication is inexcusable.

There was also the appearance of being in it as a money making scheme and loss of credibility with the Publisher Clearing house type emails. They lost credibility with all these emails where people get to the point where they stop reading them, unsubscribe or just sent them to junk. The recipient then misses any important activism since it would be buried with all the scare tactics spamming for donations.

 

[thoughtomator]

At some point people have to take his ideas and be committed to implementing them. There were 3 or 4 state GOPs completely controlled by Paul people after 2012, they did not get the support they needed from the folks who voted them in, and they almost all got forced out by 2014. That's not Ron or Rand's fault, it's ours.

And for that I blame the aforementioned abdication of leadership at perhaps what was the most cruicial time for the movement.

When the leaders abandon the field, what does that say to the ground troops?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Check out the view counts on those videos. He used to reach more people than that in a single speech. Nobody is tuning in but the most hardcore, already-converted RP admirers, and only a small percentage of that group is even bothering to watch.

His days of leading and most importantly growing the movement are over. The peak and decline of the liberty movement directly corresponds with the Rand endorsement of Romney followed by Ron all but dropping out of public view.

This movement had the momentum to completely overwhelm and take over the political system and provide for some real liberty. That momentum crashed with the effective capitulation of the two Pauls, the younger to the establishment, the older to what is essentially a resting-on-laurels retirement. If these principles are as important as they said they are, this abdication is inexcusable.

You implied Ron was doing nothing. He is working hard, no doubt it's not easy to do all of those videos. As far as retirement, good for him. If he wants to be retired or semi-retired, he deserves it. If his viewership is not up to your standards, there's not a lot he can do about it. Fox isn't knocking at his door to give him a show on their network.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Seems reasonable. I don't recall Trump supporting Ron for POTUS, previously either. <shrug>

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

I have no "destroy the government" candidate to vote for. Trump hates snowden, is pro universal healthcare, pro-forced back doors on cellphones, etc... Sanders is a nice option, I figure he'll run up taxes, and boost welfare. So, probably can get on disability (retirement). It shouldn't be hard under Sanders Rule. Under Hillary, well, I'll probably be executed, I'm not in good enough shape to be a slave, and she hates men. She's just with Bill the Serial Rapist because he's popular, and he only rapes "dumb" women that she detests as much as males.

Sanders 2016! Fuck work....

 

[thoughtomator]

You implied Ron was doing nothing. He is working hard, no doubt it's not easy to do all of those videos. As far as retirement, good for him. If he wants to be retired or semi-retired, he deserves it. If his viewership is not up to your standards, there's not a lot he can do about it. Fox isn't knocking at his door to give him a show on their network.

There are teenagers who put out more videos and get more views than Ron is. And not just a handful either, hundreds of thousands of them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

There are teenagers who put out more videos and get more views than Ron is. And not just a handful either, hundreds of thousands of them.

The average teenage girl spends more time on the phone than the average Fortune 500 CEO. That doesn't mean that the average teenage girl should run a Fortune 500 company.

 

[thoughtomator]

The average teenage girl spends more time on the phone than the average Fortune 500 CEO. That doesn't mean that the average teenage girl should run a Fortune 500 company.

Perhaps not, but it's one hell of a drop for that CEO to become no more influential than a teenage girl, and that's the situation we have here.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Perhaps not, but it's one hell of a drop for that CEO to become no more influential than a teenage girl, and that's the situation we have here.

You are seriously arguing that Ron Paul is "no more influential than a teenage girl," just because you are butthurt that he refuses to support your pet fascist?

 

[thoughtomator]

You are seriously arguing that Ron Paul is "no more influential than a teenage girl," just because you are butthurt that he refuses to support your pet fascist?

Why are you knowingly making the false claim that Trump is my "pet Fascist", in lieu of actually putting forth an alternative? Is it because you don't have any alternative and are suffering butthurt yourself and like a small child lack the self-discipline not to project that onto others?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Why are you knowingly making the false claim that Trump is my "pet Fascist", in lieu of actually putting forth an alternative? Is it because you don't have any alternative and are suffering butthurt yourself and like a small child lack the self-discipline not to project that onto others?

Why do you have to have "an alternative" in order to reject an anticonstitutional authoritarian fascist? I don't have "an alternative" to being shot in the head, so I should point a gun at my temple and pull the trigger?

 

[Dianne]

Exactly - the ballot is larger than just the presidency. I try to vote at every opportunity, even if I only partially fill in the ballot. That way the counters are at least seeing people paying attention, participating, and registering their honest views.

For those who desire to see change within the system, I just can't see any other way of participating. Ron Paul gets the credit for helping me see this.

cue the Texan.

Excellent points !! The Senate is supposed to be far more important than the President. We need to work on getting all the dinosaur rinos replaced.

 

[thoughtomator]

Why do you have to have "an alternative" in order to reject an anticonstitutional authoritarian fascist? I don't have "an alternative" to being shot in the head, so I should point a gun at my temple and pull the trigger?

Refusing to make a choice is making a choice.

I say there's some validity to the argument that Trump is a Hail Mary play to bust up the oligarchy and that it is at least worth serious consideration on the basis that there will never be any chance for liberty until that busting happens.

I am not satisfied with no chance ever. I lose nothing by Trump being President, because we already have authoritarian fascism in the here and now.

Refusing to take the one shot there may be, and refusing to present or promote any alternative, says you are content with the authoritarian fascism of the present moment and the WW3/total Orwell future it is 100% without fail guaranteed to bring.

I am not so content, and thus I will not refuse the roll of the dice. It's all we got.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Refusing to make a choice is making a choice.

I say there's some validity to the argument that Trump is a Hail Mary play to bust up the oligarchy and that it is at least worth serious consideration on the basis that there will never be any chance for liberty until that busting happens.

I am not satisfied with no chance ever. I lose nothing by Trump being President, because we already have authoritarian fascism in the here and now.

Awww, you think it can't get any worse. How cute.

Refusing to take the one shot there may be, and refusing to present or promote any alternative, says you are content with the authoritarian fascism of the present moment and the WW3/total Orwell future it is 100% without fail guaranteed to bring.

I am not so content, and thus I will not refuse the roll of the dice. It's all we got.

I will not help that motherfucker build gas chambers and ovens. If you do want to, then let it be on your conscience.

 

[thoughtomator]

Awww, you think it can't get any worse. How cute.



I will not help that motherfucker build gas chambers and ovens. If you do want to, then let it be on your conscience.

Godwin's Law. I win~!

 

[AuH20]

Godwin's Law. I win~!

I'm shocked he believes that. The guy builds gawdy casinos and next he's building death chambers? That's one hell of a jump, dontcha think?

 

[thoughtomator]

I'm shocked he believes that. The guy builds gawdy casinos and next he's building death chambers? That's one hell of a jump, dontcha think?

Given the ridiculousness I've had to put up with so far in this conversation, I'd wager he's not alone.

To me, this is basic math. Unless you are perfectly satisfied with never having a good outcome, it is almost obligatory to take a 1% chance for a good outcome over a 0% chance for a good outcome.