Ron Paul: I wouldn't support Trump as GOP nominee

[juleswin]

Its amazing how fast these people threw Ron under the bus. This forums needs to clean house fast and its not just because they are bashing Ron but the idea that was the foundation of the movement is being undermined by them. Deport them like Trump would deport the illegals and build a wall with gatling guns every 5 feet to kill and maim anyone of them trying to sneak back in.

 

[fr33]

I doubt that Trump cares about headlines like this. It's not like Ron has much political capital to lend anymore.

 

[liveandletlive]

Trump is a modern day George Wallace, similar domestic and foreign policy. Imagine if Wallace was elected, he would do some good things but completely fuck up the country because the bad outweights the good.

Also similar personalities. Wallace was a showman who would say anything for a vote. He became a full-time bigot when he realized saying ****** would play to the masses. Trump has found success following that mold. This is not someone to be trusted.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

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[SovereignMN]

Ron is being bashed for this? What the hell forum is this? Ron Paul knows more about Liberty than just about anyone on here. He smells a rat and if we are smart we'll listen to him. The man has been America's political prophet for decades.

 

[AuH20]

Trump is a modern day George Wallace, similar domestic and foreign policy. Imagine if Wallace was elected, he would do some good things but completely fuck up the country because the bad outweights the good.

Also similar personalities. Wallace was a showman who would say anything for a vote. He became a full-time bigot when he realized saying ****** would play to the masses. Trump has found success following that mold. This is not someone to be trusted.

George Wallace openly preached for segregation. Trump never advocated any such radical departures from the norm. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he's out to the advance the interests of Americans, be it black, white, Asian or whomever. However, he has no obligation to materially assist non-citizens.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

To give up after Iowa is what pissed me off, I understand not wanting to spend more money, but don't roll over on us, not after the first caucus.

Ok, the point is that Rand didn't want to milk us for millions more after he saw his or his dad's former trajectory when he knew his window had closed. But, I get that we're all left w/o a hero to carry-on with at this point. It sucks and I agree and get it - we got nothing. Moving on, I hope Rand keeps his Senate persona pure gold for us/movement but for now, we have to choose - liberty thru the LP/CP, not voting or the lesser of yeah... Your choice is now and totally on you. The anti-establishment republican position is Trump and that is likely where I'm at here. Truth is, I get where or what Trump can be but Hillary is the other viable option. Sorry to all that thought I knew or would do better.:o

I'm not doing this for sport. Perhaps, a unique possibility is on our hands. If not, I'm hoping Trump doesn't show the establishment stripes that I know Clinton/Rubio would enshrine. And, I'm hoping those I encounter daily on the Bernie side, whom I advise, would swing to the "anti-establishment" Trump over Hillary. We got nothing here besides this. Firing squad is ready, btw.

 

[nikcers]

Ron's not telling us to eat shit and die. He's not telling us that we can have cake, or death. He's not telling us we can choose liberty, or death. He's telling us we don't have a good choice, just a choice between two poops and shit. He's telling us we can make whatever choice we want, but no choice leads to liberty. Ron's not going to lead you the wrong way, whether you like it or not.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

RP is too principled for someone like Trumpster.

Another problem with Trump is that lately his attacks on Obama, ISIS, media, Bush Iraq WMD lies group, neocons have taken very harsh and politically incorrect tone.

 

[fr33]

Ron's not telling us to eat shit and die. He's not telling us that we can have cake, or death. He's not telling us we can choose liberty, or death. He's telling us we don't have a good choice, just a choice between two poops and shit. He's telling us we can make whatever choice we want, but no choice leads to liberty. Ron's not going to lead you the wrong way, whether you like it or not.

You are a member of a cult. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? You need Ron Paul to tell you what to think.

 

[alucard13mm]

Staying in through Iowa was already considered crazy by many with no particular loyalty to Rand.. He stayed, hoping that his ground game in Iowa would give him a miraculous boost in the caucus results. Instead he did exactly as was polled. That meant it was time to get out before wasting what political credibility he still had.

Yeah. He boasted about having 10,000 students pledging to caucus for Rand and 1,000+ precinct captains.. Would be hard to talk to media on why you polled so horribly and what happened to all the kids, support, ground game he had.

Rand tried hard to talk about how inaccurate and irrelevant pre-caucus polls were. It would way too hard to talk your way out of why you did so poorly.

 

[thoughtomator]

Its amazing how fast these people threw Ron under the bus. This forums needs to clean house fast and its not just because they are bashing Ron but the idea that was the foundation of the movement is being undermined by them. Deport them like Trump would deport the illegals and build a wall with gatling guns every 5 feet to kill and maim anyone of them trying to sneak back in.

I have standing to complain because I busted my ass for Ron and gave him my money.

Took me four years to come to grips with the fact that Ron and Rand threw us under the bus. Looks like you've yet to reach that stage, but if you keep your eyes open you will.

Let's be honest - the Paul family has fucked up the liberty movement in a big way, starting from the moment Rand endorsed Romney and began to crawl on his knees to curry favor with the establishment to become acceptable to them. It should have been obvious from the start that liberty was never acceptable to the establishment - they fight it tooth and nail at every turn.

Rand threw his political base under the bus chasing that establishment favor, which is why the movement shrank and didn't rally to him like it did his father.

Ron disappeared - didn't campaign for his son. Even if Rand didn't know better, Ron sure as hell should have.

And what has Ron done since? He's not been spreading the message of liberty, he's only talking now to the hardcore already-converted and trying to make money off of them. Gone are the days of making speeches at colleges where they're climbing trees just to get a glimpse of him, teaching a new generation what their rightful inheritance was.

Mind you, I'm not a fan of Trump and have made that consistently clear. If Ron ran for President now, I would rally behind him. But what Ron is doing now is not something I can rally behind, it's a mission of personal profit at odds with the importance of spreading the message of liberty. While he's fully entitled to do that as a private citizen in charge of his own affairs, he's not entitled to be admired for it.

 

[thoughtomator]

Ron's not telling us to eat shit and die. He's not telling us that we can have cake, or death. He's not telling us we can choose liberty, or death. He's telling us we don't have a good choice, just a choice between two poops and shit. He's telling us we can make whatever choice we want, but no choice leads to liberty. Ron's not going to lead you the wrong way, whether you like it or not.

We didn't need Ron to tell us that. The system as is is now beyond hope of salvage. At this point the only thing under discussion is damage control.

 

[juleswin]

Mind you, I'm not a fan of Trump and have made that consistently clear.

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Geeze you guys move on already. Ron lost the election, he for all intent and purpose dropped out before Rand endorsed Romney. And yes, Rand tried to play nice the establishment in hope that he gets some of their support and he was actually leading most of the polls where he was polled with people like Jeb until the Clintons sent in their goon squad.

You have "come to grips with the fact that Ron and Rand threw us under the bus" but you also say that if Ron ran again now, you would vote for him. Its either you are lying to me or you are full of it.

 

[nikcers]

You are a member of a cult. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? You need Ron Paul to tell you what to think.

I wish I was, then I would at least have an excuse. Want to start one? We should call it freedom club.

 

[thoughtomator]

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Geeze you guys move on already. Ron lost the election, he for all intent and purpose dropped out before Rand endorsed Romney. And yes, Rand tried to play nice the establishment in hope that he gets some of their support and he was actually leading most of the polls where he was polled with people like Jeb until the Clintons sent in their goon squad.

You have "come to grips with the fact that Ron and Rand threw us under the bus" but you also say that if Ron ran again now, you would vote for him. Its either you are lying to me or you are full of it.

As difficult as it may be for you to conceive, I simply don't share your view that Ron is infallible or perfect. I support the cause of liberty but I most definitely did NOT sign up for a cult.

 

[nikcers]

As difficult as it may be for you to conceive, I simply don't share your view that Ron is infallible or perfect. I support the cause of liberty but I most definitely did NOT sign up for a cult.

ONE OF US... ONE OF US..

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[juleswin]

As difficult as it may be for you to conceive, I simply don't share your view that Ron is infallible or perfect. I support the cause of liberty but I most definitely did NOT sign up for a cult.

Says the man who will still support Ron today after he threw him under the bus. No, I don't and have never thought Ron was infallible. I think I disagree with Ron and Rand more than any of his remaining supporter on this site. I understood that Ron was a huge step in the right direction and I was prepared to live with the flaws in hope that his tenure will spark the fire for a bigger revolution.

 

[thoughtomator]

Says the man who will still support Ron today after he threw him under the bus. No, I don't and have never thought Ron was infallible. I think I disagree with Ron and Rand more than any of his remaining supporter on this site. I understood that Ron was a huge step in the right direction and I was prepared to live with the flaws in hope that his tenure will spark the fire for a bigger revolution.

That's right. A person doesn't need to be perfect in order for one to consider them the best choice.

At the same time, nobody should ever be beyond honest criticism, which is something that the post to which I initially replied strongly implied.

If the liberty movement is to move forward from here, it will have to do so without the Pauls, and perhaps even in spite of them.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I agree. Don't tell me who NOT to vote for, unless you're willing to tell me who to vote for. Ron Paul's opinions reign 95% in me. And these new trolls on here, telling me to ban myself for objecting, really pisses me off. Where the hell were these trolls when BuddyRey and I were crafting Ron Paul signs on I-85 in Charlotte, N.C.? Nowhere to be found.

Where is BXM to mock someone when we need him to?

How about this.... don't vote. Oh, the blasphemy.

You should probably be more concerned on diversifying your investments, hedging against inflationary economic calamities, and less concerned with which authoritarian will rule you.

Jesus Christ.