Ron Paul campaign statement on Louisiana GOP convention

[Johncjackson]

Sounds like the entire campaign sold out to the establishment/Romney.

This about the future of the Republican Party and long-term strategy. Ron Paul has always played politics and played well. This isn't about purposely marginalizing our own movement and/or becoming an outcast of also-rans.

 

[KingNothing]

This about the future of the Republican Party and long-term strategy. Ron Paul has always played politics and played well. This isn't about purposely marginalizing our own movement and/or becoming an outcast of also-rans.

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.


They'll never understand subtle, political manuevering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

 

[Carlybee]

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.


They'll never understand subtle, political manuevering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

Purge them from our movement? Rofl. How autocratic. You get right on that.

 

[Lightweis]

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.


They'll never understand subtle, political manuevering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? lol

 

[steacj78]

is the law firm handling the Oklahoma delegates being allowed in Tampa going to absorb this case as well?

 

[Jandrsn21]

Want to do something effective. Write a letter explaining what happened in detail add that with a dvd of all videos of the convention you can find. Then mail that material to every elected official in Lousiana or anyone else you think is relevant. Torchbearer wants to create a chipin for supplies and postage I've got $25 on it!

 

[Vessol]

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.

They'll never understand subtle, political manuevering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

So how do you propose purging us 'unthinking lunatics'?

 

[CPUd]

The campaign is saying what they can say.

If the convention were made up of 2/3 santorum or gingrich supporters with no official campaign presence, and they brought out the 'temporary rules' just like they did this weekend, do you think they would have ousted the chair and turned their backs? When the cops ran in, do you think they would have backed down?

I think they would have sat there and let it happen. This is an important distinction, because more people are realizing now that the RP campaign does not have their hands on the wheel, and the car can drive itself quite well.

 

[Revolution9]

The Shreveport PD obviously didn't see it that way.

They are tidying their facebook page with all the grace of a one legged cat trying to cover it's feces on an ice pond. They just put the new GOP chair, harmless apple dumpling grandpa of a person anybody could determine as such with just a glance, in the hospital. They are probably having little dim bulbs light up in their robocop circuitry that were unaware an upgrade took place to their flash ROM and they violated protocol. They executed a power move for a man who just lost power. Bad move. Expect many of these type incidents in June. Look at the man it happened to. America will see it for what it is.

Rev9

 

[Tiso0770]

 

[hrdman2luv]

It doesn't sound to me 'sold out' at all but I think the goal of the campaign is to prevent these things from happening over and over. Dr. Paul may want to win, I don't know, but he doesn't want a whole lot of 'trouble.'

That's the problem. The Romneycrats will get violent, start name calling and disrupt things. And when we decide we're not going to lay down and take what ever they are dishing out, then all of a sudden, we become the "disruptors". And we get the blame for it.

Well, I say we all stand our ground. And don't take anything illegal or unguided from any of the establishment. We all knew they weren't going to hand us all the reigns. That they were all going to fight us tooth and nail...

And the bad part about it is, they don't even realize that we're fighting for them as well as Ron Paul, ourselves, our kids and future generations.

 

[Thanehand]

What a surprise. The LAGOP (and the GOP at large obviously) doesn't know the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic.

Or rather, they don't care since a democracy enhances their ability to maintain power.

Edit: Yes, I realize that that mainly pertains to the Presidency and this is within the Party, but I imagine they would apply the "tidying up of rules" at the Presidential level if the need arose there as well.

 

[WhistlinDave]

If I may make a recommendation to anyone going as a delegate to any future state convention: Call the local police ahead of time. Explain that you are concerned for your safety. Explain why. Tell them what happened in Louisiana. Tell them about Ron Paul supporters being assaulted in Oklahoma. Tell them you are afraid for your safety because the GOP officials in other states have demonstrated the capacity for using any and all means (well, short of firearms, so far anyway), to try to control the proceedings. When breaking the rules doesn't work, Romney supporters are capable of violence, or capable of lying to police to get them to do the dirty work. Ron Paul folks play by the rules and then end up being the victims of this chaos, all the while getting painted in the press as being the ones starting the trouble. Mr. Officer, I am going to this convention and intend to follow all the rules but when we start winning, I am worried for my safety.

Then, if things start to get ugly, call the police.

If this sounds like being a bitch, who cares? Two poor guys ended up with broken bones (OK, broken prosthetic bone, whatever) as a result of those fucking bitches who bitched first. Maybe if police are there before things turn too ugly, it will be easier to maintain order and stop the rule breaking before it gets too far as well, who knows?

If you are always in a reactionary mode, never being the one to make the first move, it is easier for the other side to spin it as "Ron Paul supporters cause chaos." The very first news story that I could find today on the web in the Google search, the headline was "Ron Paul supporter arrested at Louisiana GOP convention." I'm a really mellow person but reading that today made my blood boil, knowing what actually happened.

If you're playing chess, you think several moves ahead. If you are playing poker, most pros will tell you it's usually better to bet or raise than to check or call. Proactive, not reactive. Use your own words, but call the police ahead of time and tell them you are afraid--or at the least you're concerned--for your safety. And make sure to explain why!! Just a thought...

Another suggestion: Maybe Ron Paul delegates need to reach out in the local area and find a Liberty minded lawyer who will agree to attend pro bono, and this might help in the event police are called by either side, because some police might give a little more credibility to a level headed, cool and calm lawyer who steps forward to explain what they witnessed happening. Might not make any big difference, but seems like it wouldn't hurt. That is, if you can get them in... I don't know how that works to be honest.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.


They'll never understand subtle, political manuevering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

Just letting you know, that was the Goldwater strategy.

Get back to me on how well that worked out.

 

[romancito]

That's the problem. The Romneycrats will get violent, start name calling and disrupt things. And when we decide we're not going to lay down and take what ever they are dishing out, then all of a sudden, we become the "disruptors". And we get the blame for it.

Well, I say we all stand our ground. And don't take anything illegal or unguided from any of the establishment. We all knew they weren't going to hand us all the reigns. That they were all going to fight us tooth and nail...

And the bad part about it is, they don't even realize that we're fighting for them as well as Ron Paul, ourselves, our kids and future generations.

Dr. Paul is the one that does not want trouble. He has said it many times. He is the one whose policy is "non-confrontational." He is the one that is after a civil intellectual objective as the end result. He is the one that has patience and long term education as his goal for 'his' movement. His objective is not that he has to be the president in order for his ideas to take hold. Not that I agree with him on that. I am with your views that the movement has to be assertive just as it has been. Dr. Paul knows that you would be assertive and he knows that leaving it to the movement in raw state it will develop into a big confrontation with the GOP establishment. But I have to blame Dr. Paul first because he was the one to support the word "R3volution" although his idea was an "intellectual revolution." But Dr. Paul fault is that he has left the word 'revolution' hang loose and we want things to change sooner rather than later. Which is also what I want.

 

[romancito]

If I may make a recommendation to anyone going as a delegate to any future state convention: Call the local police ahead of time. ... Then, if things start to get ugly, call the police.

If you are always in a reactionary mode,.... I'm a really mellow person but reading that today made my blood boil, knowing what actually happened.

If you're playing chess, you think several moves ahead. If you are playing poker, most pros will tell you it's usually better to bet or raise than to check or call. Proactive, not reactive. Use your own words, but call the police ahead of time and tell them you are afraid--or at the least you're concerned--for your safety. And make sure to explain why!! Just a thought...

Your strategy sounds smart but it isn't because it doesn't work like that. Besides the people (GOP) running the Convention already know how smart and assertive Ron Paul supporters are and they also know how to deal with turning their environment towards their favor.

It is Dr. Paul who doesn't want for you to get your blood to the boiling point. Not that I agree with that. He is the one whose objective is long term. In other words he doesn't care if it takes years until most of the population are in agreement with his views and principles. Not that I agree with that. I prefer a vocal minority to turn the tables on the establishment by sheer wits, yes.

You have to think why is it that Dr. Paul turned on the 'silent treatment' on everyone. Not that I agree with him on doing it.

 

[dancjm]

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.


They'll never understand subtle, political manuevering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

I'm not sure if I agree with what you have said.

But I definitely don't agree with how you have said it.

 

[FreedomFighter1776]

i was very impressed. We had some big guns and large brains on our side.
we weren't just a bunch of laymen fumbling through the process. we had long time Republicans who are now true ron paul supporters. that in itself is a huge win.
we will now focus on those state central committee positions. we need those seats.

^^^ This

 

[UWDude]

Some of the idiots here will never realize this. They're short-sighted, myopic fools. They need drama. They require bombast. They aren't happy unless we have an immediate enemy. What a shame that is. They have no idea how to claim a victory when one is presented.


They'll never understand subtle, political maneuvering and the overwhelmingly positive effects that it can have. That is a problem. Unthinking, irrational supporters are limiting the effect this movement can have on the Republican party and American politics We've got to either educate the unthinking lunatics, or purge them from our movement. Something needs to change. These combative, paranoid lunatics have a place, I think, but they need to have a footing in reality.

LoL

You think you are so smart.

LoL

Who do you think is doing the real maneuvering? How long do you think this game has been played?

"long term strategy"

The game is almost up, folks. There is no time left. 2012 is here, and it will be historic, like never before.
The stock market rumbling, Greece, Spain, silver going up while stocks plummet, mass shooting skyrocketing... ...the glue is coming undone. Political process... ...enjoy. But we all know, there will be no political revolution. It is either bloody revolution or fascism. Because fascists don't play by the rules of peaceful, political maneuvering.

I mean, who really can look at the way the United states is starting a new war every 3 months, and thinks we actually have time to build a new political movement? And I'm sorry, Amash and Rand Paul ain't gonna cut it, nor will they ever, ever come close to Ron Paul. They have already shown themselves to be weak. Ron Paul is one hell of a unique man, and a true American hero, but it's do or die time.

There are those, who say, let's just take our clothes off, and stand in front of the ditch quietly, and those who advocate yelling and screaming and fighting. End result is just the same, but it's not the screams of the silent that haunt the guards when they sleep.

 

[CPUd]

I don't think society is gonna fall apart in the next 4 years. This is the narrative that the GOP wish to pursue as a reason to 'beat Obama'. But one could go back to any point in US history and pick a series of current events to make that case against an incumbent President. Sure it would be great to end the madness now, but failing to do so will just result in more madness, not a collapse.

Installing liberty candidates in the House and Senate is just as important as making Ron Paul President. No matter how poor the job approval of the President gets, it is nowhere near the depths of the approval ratings of the Congress.