Ron Paul campaign in Florida

[neverseen]

Meanwhile we are already planning the rally for the debate in FL. http://www.facebook.com/events/305905399453098/ We have over 100 signed up between facebook and meetup. We will get a lot more than that... a lot... before the debate.

Here is the grassroots for florida thread. (includes official campaign communication from our state fellow Mark Cross).
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?343528-Florida-grassroots-effort-details-contacts-etc

The Bay Area is doing VERY aell right now. So are many other regions of the state. We were all well aware that FL was not a priority and that the money would not flow in. This was known and talked about for months. Personally, I don't want the money to come here to the tune of 10mil. That's nuts and shouldn't happen. There are way too many other states. Now i do NOT like that the campaign flat out said that because now we will have some discouraged grassroots members that will have to be rallied...

I know the bay area alone has 1,500+ volunteers signed up via the campaign and now that we have that list we are going to be getting them cranking hard the next few weeks.

Anywho... FL will keep calling, keep door knocking, and keep sign bombing. We are going to paint this state Ron Paul for the convention and hopefully all goes well and we get a higher than 4th place (talking primary. we know paul will win the GOP nod). We are def trying to crush our old number of 4%

If you are in FL and not currently involved with a group, please message me and i'll get you to the right place.

As for all the rest of you bad mouthing Florida... how about being encouraging and supportive for once and quit telling us what we already know. If you've ever lead something in your life and had to motivate people to work hard for a difficult cause... You will know that it is MUCH easier to motivate the people by hearing words of encouragement and support rather than attacking everyone that is soooo motivated they think they can win an entire state on their own.

The pessimism on this board (the entire board in general) is sickening and all of you debbie downers should be ashamed of trying to bring everyone down with you.

Not to mention... the entire first page of grassroots is dedicated to news stories and complaining about polls. Not a single REAL grassroots thread that has anything in it about trying to do EVERYTHING you personally can to raise the polls that are complained about by even 1%.

 

[69360]

Florida could likely be the Grinch's last stand. I could easily see him burn out all of his money trying to beat mittens. Ron can sit back and let it happen then move on to the caucuses where he can win more delegates with only him and Romney actively competing. Frothy and huntsman will be out of it by then. I like this strategy.

 

[69360]

Oh yes, I know that's what they keep saying. I don't see how that can happen if he never wins any contests and skips some states entirely. Its something that sounds real good but the logistics are daunting at best.

Proportional delagate allocation. You don't need to win to get delegates.

 

[69360]

Meanwhile we are already planning the rally for the debate in FL. http://www.facebook.com/events/305905399453098/ We have over 100 signed up between facebook and meetup. We will get a lot more than that... a lot... before the debate.

Here is the grassroots for florida thread. (includes official campaign communication from our state fellow Mark Cross).
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?343528-Florida-grassroots-effort-details-contacts-etc

The Bay Area is doing VERY aell right now. So are many other regions of the state. We were all well aware that FL was not a priority and that the money would not flow in. This was known and talked about for months. Personally, I don't want the money to come here to the tune of 10mil. That's nuts and shouldn't happen. There are way too many other states. Now i do NOT like that the campaign flat out said that because now we will have some discouraged grassroots members that will have to be rallied...

I know the bay area alone has 1,500+ volunteers signed up via the campaign and now that we have that list we are going to be getting them cranking hard the next few weeks.

Anywho... FL will keep calling, keep door knocking, and keep sign bombing. We are going to paint this state Ron Paul for the convention and hopefully all goes well and we get a higher than 4th place (talking primary. we know paul will win the GOP nod). We are def trying to crush our old number of 4%

If you are in FL and not currently involved with a group, please message me and i'll get you to the right place.

As for all the rest of you bad mouthing Florida... how about being encouraging and supportive for once and quit telling us what we already know. If you've ever lead something in your life and had to motivate people to work hard for a difficult cause... You will know that it is MUCH easier to motivate the people by hearing words of encouragement and support rather than attacking everyone that is soooo motivated they think they can win an entire state on their own.

The pessimism on this board (the entire board in general) is sickening and all of you debbie downers should be ashamed of trying to bring everyone down with you.

Not to mention... the entire first page of grassroots is dedicated to news stories and complaining about polls. Not a single REAL grassroots thread that has anything in it about trying to do EVERYTHING you personally can to raise the polls that are complained about by even 1%.

If you are in FL perhaps you should direct your efforts toward phone from home, donating and becoming delegates.

2nd -6th in Florida results in no delegate gain at all. The last FL poll on RCP had Ron at 5%. To recover from that and win the state would be an act of God.

 

[newbitech]

I won't speak for him, but for me, I am trying to figure out what the strategy is for Ron Paul to win the nomination. I hear a lot of fanciful ideas here that don't make any sense in the context of Ron winning the nomination. My fear is that the strategy was to win Iowa and use it as the springboard to launch Ron into contention in the other early states, and when that did not happen, I'm very afraid they are winging it now.

yep, I simply try to point out the mixed messages coming from the campaign. I am sure there is some strategy, but I am completely baffled how a strategy for winning can be based on skipping the campaign in ANY state, let alone a state that has proven to be the most consisten in electing the leaders of the country. 9/10 presidents were elected by Florida since 1972 (1992 Florida went Rep and Clinton won).

Since 1972, Florida has nominated the eventual Republican Presidential Candidate every time.
Since 1972, Florida is 8/10 in nominating the *popular Democrat Candidate (*Clinton in 2008, Wallace 1972, Hart 1984)

Winning Florida is apparently key to winning a popular vote.

 

[walt]

If you are in FL perhaps you should direct your efforts toward phone from home, donating and becoming delegates.

2nd -6th in Florida results in no delegate gain at all. The last FL poll on RCP had Ron at 5%. To recover from that and win the state would be an act of God.

You mean like a win in NH?

 

[sailingaway]

Ron has a chance if he does so well in NH he has momentum. MOMENTUM would have to carry him in Florida, and we will know better Tuesday how we stand.

 

[neverseen]

If you are in FL perhaps you should direct your efforts toward phone from home, donating and becoming delegates.

2nd -6th in Florida results in no delegate gain at all. The last FL poll on RCP had Ron at 5%. To recover from that and win the state would be an act of God.

If you're not in FL and have nothing supportive to say, take your negativity to a whiny low NH poll post and complain there. Don't tell FL what to work on. We call no less than anyone else. You don't know who our delegates are. You don't know how we've infiltrated the GOP here.

You don't even care that the state is not winner takes all and it will not be decided to be winner take all until later this month AND it can be changed AT THE CONVENTION from winner take all to proportionate.

If you have nothing positive to say about FL, stop trying to be a debbie downer and stop trying to discourage paul supporters in FL.

You are a problem.

 

[floridasun1983]

Ron has a chance if he does so well in NH he has momentum. MOMENTUM would have to carry him in Florida, and we will know better Tuesday how we stand.

I think NH is critical. Ron has to squash the perception the MSM has created that he's not electable.

 

[michaelwise]

I'm buying super brochures for my precinct in SW Florida. I'm thinking about running for city council this year and it's a good way for the people in my district to get to know me.

 

[KingNothing]

Winning Florida is apparently key to winning a popular vote.

I bet a majority of the states could make similar claims.

It's only logical. The eventual winner of the nomination probably won a majority of the states, especially given the number of them that are relatively uncontested after Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

[Working Poor]

I fear the big media will rip Ron Paul to shreds over this..

Isn't that what they have been doing all along?

 

[newbitech]

You can't win a 2 man race without winning outright. I don't care how the delegates are proportioned, the fact is, in a 2 man race the largest proportions go to the winner.

This effectively makes every state winner take all. It is not that hard to grasp. In a two man race, one man is guaranteed to win with 50%+1. This means that man gets the largest chunk of delegates.

So if it is not a 2 man race, then that means there are going to be some hangers on. Let's say there are 3 people. Well, that just means that there is no guarantee that the winner gets 50%+1. So in that case, you look at every winner take all state and say, well, it's likely the vote will be split, so it's not worth competing against the front runner. Right? That's the logic for Florida. Forget the story that Benton put out, 9 million to compete. That's balogna. Romney won't spend 9 million down here, why? Cause he can buy 1 ad for 850k to air for a week in 9/10 major markets. And his closest financial competitor has said they won't compete.

So now Romney has that money to solidify himself in other states, and easily take no competition Florida. But lets just say there are 3 candidates that come out of Florida. You still need to split more than half the delegates with that other person to get your borked convention. That IMO is not running to win. It's running to have influence yes. But I will be dead square with you. The time and money I have spent could have been better used to influence local politics had I believe the strategy was to win influence rather than compete against Obama.

I hate to sound that way, but I really do care more about what goes on in my backyard, and you are damn right I am selfish with my support. Even Ron Paul would respect that. You don't promise to run a national campaign EXCEPT Florida, and expect Florida to be like oh well we have to fix the nation before we can fix Florida.

Screw that. If I do not work on fixing Florida, it won't f'in matter what happens with the rest of you in your states. Look at this table again and tell me. Where does this campaign take a stand, if not Florida?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-in-Florida&p=3984343&viewfull=1#post3984343

 

[newbitech]

I bet a majority of the states could make similar claims.

It's only logical. The eventual winner of the nomination probably won a majority of the states, especially given the number of them that are relatively uncontested after Iowa and New Hampshire.

Isn't that my point?

 

[MelissaWV]

You mean like a win in NH?

Just a slight tangent.

Florida is 50 delegates, WTA.

New Hampshire is 12 delegates, proportional to those candidates getting more than 10% of the vote.

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This seems very simple to me, and I'm surprised there are so many pages going on and on about this. Efforts in Florida are just that: localized to our state. They do not take away from anything any of you are doing in other states, assuming you are doing anything at all. There has been an effort for MONTHS to get people registered GOP, organized, sign-wave (yes I know that's not the most effective thing in the world, but it keeps Ron's name out there), billboards, ads, mailers (again, not saying I support the Super Brochure, but it was an effort), and so on. There are ongoing efforts to rally people to Ron's appearances in Florida. There is the big mailer that someone's already posted a picture of in the thread, which looks pretty awesome. There are a lot of us with boots on the ground trying to win hearts and minds. There are even those of us that, although FL is currently WTA, are strategic in our recruitment and registration so that we will still have a strong showing if it becomes proportional somehow.

The people doing this know that Florida is a longshot or even a lost cause. Who cares? There is nothing gained and a great deal lost by just giving up now, and allowing Ron to finish in single-digits as some of you seem to gleefully point out he is polling at.

I doubt the campaign is going to detach itself fully from Florida, but act like it is. Act like there is no one riding over the ridge to save us and turn the battle. Act like you're only fighting for your own pride and your own consistency and your own desire for liberty, and maybe in the end the only thing you'll get is the reluctant praise of your rivals.

 

[newbitech]

Just a slight tangent.

Florida is 50 delegates, WTA.

New Hampshire is 12 delegates, proportional to those candidates getting more than 10% of the vote.

* * *

This seems very simple to me, and I'm surprised there are so many pages going on and on about this. Efforts in Florida are just that: localized to our state. They do not take away from anything any of you are doing in other states, assuming you are doing anything at all. There has been an effort for MONTHS to get people registered GOP, organized, sign-wave (yes I know that's not the most effective thing in the world, but it keeps Ron's name out there), billboards, ads, mailers (again, not saying I support the Super Brochure, but it was an effort), and so on. There are ongoing efforts to rally people to Ron's appearances in Florida. There is the big mailer that someone's already posted a picture of in the thread, which looks pretty awesome. There are a lot of us with boots on the ground trying to win hearts and minds. There are even those of us that, although FL is currently WTA, are strategic in our recruitment and registration so that we will still have a strong showing if it becomes proportional somehow.

The people doing this know that Florida is a longshot or even a lost cause. Who cares? There is nothing gained and a great deal lost by just giving up now, and allowing Ron to finish in single-digits as some of you seem to gleefully point out he is polling at.

I doubt the campaign is going to detach itself fully from Florida, but act like it is. Act like there is no one riding over the ridge to save us and turn the battle. Act like you're only fighting for your own pride and your own consistency and your own desire for liberty, and maybe in the end the only thing you'll get is the reluctant praise of your rivals.

thank you.

This all started for me when Benton made the victory post. Completely left Florida off the list. Some stuff still lingers from '08, and that really scratched that open for me. Also, this latest release I think is just total crap. 9 million? Please.. they ran T.V. and radio in '08. Very sparse effort but they still ran it. He made appearances, not many but he did. And not talking about debates.

This time around, I have in my local group at least 5 new people that took 4 years of working on. It's tough work down here for sure. But come on, don't tell the media that Florida is just too expensive. What a cop out from a campaign that touts it's fundraising prowess.

Don't talk about delegate strategy and two man race in the same breath if the winner take all nature of Florida is scaring you off. This kind of "encouragement" from the campaign just leaves me feeling blahh..

On the other hand, what you just said makes me want to finish my precinct this week and start on a new one.

 

[walt]

thank you.

This all started for me when Benton made the victory post. Completely left Florida off the list. Some stuff still lingers from '08, and that really scratched that open for me. Also, this latest release I think is just total crap. 9 million? Please.. they ran T.V. and radio in '08. Very sparse effort but they still ran it. He made appearances, not many but he did. And not talking about debates.

This time around, I have in my local group at least 5 new people that took 4 years of working on. It's tough work down here for sure. But come on, don't tell the media that Florida is just too expensive. What a cop out from a campaign that touts it's fundraising prowess.

Don't talk about delegate strategy and two man race in the same breath if the winner take all nature of Florida is scaring you off. This kind of "encouragement" from the campaign just leaves me feeling blahh..

On the other hand, what you just said makes me want to finish my precinct this week and start on a new one.

Hmmm. Sounds familiar.

 

[Liberty Shark]

Florida is a tough state to run a statewide campaign for president. I think I agree with the decision.

 

[nbruno322]

Not only that but FL demographics favor the older crowd, not Paul's strong suit since most of them get their info only from the mainstream media and don't frequently use the internet. Also a lot of neocons in FL and its closed so independents cant vote. It is GOOD that FL lost half of its delegates.

 

[libertybrewcity]

For the price of a win in Florida, the campaign could spend the same amount to win 3 caucus states. I'll take the caucus states.