Ron Paul campaign in Florida

[newbitech]

Yes, it would cost that much. Ron has to spend 10x what the other campaigns do just to keep up. He has the media working against him. He has perception working against him. He is coming from way behind in the polls there. Do you want the campaign to win, or do you want the campaign to try to compete in Florida and go broke?

totally false premise not backed up with facts.. here are some facts..

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/votes-received-1000-spent-iowa_616014.html

Ron Paul got nearly 2x's as much per dollar spent in Iowa than Romney. That pretty much blows away your theory that he needs to spend 10x's as much.

People love to say that Ron Paul's message is popular, but apparently not when it comes to Florida. Here is a thought, maybe people do think his message is popular, but if the campaign doesn't show up to deliver it, then no wonder his support is strictly grassroots.

The other thing people like to say it, yeah, Ron Paul does so well even despite all the negative media. Well, look how well the grassroots of Florida does, inspite of no candidate presence, or very little.

No the campaign is not going to go broke trying to compete in Florida. Yes the campaign will go broke if Florida decides to treat the campaign like the campaign treated Florida.

 

[walt]

totally false premise not backed up with facts.. here are some facts..

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/votes-received-1000-spent-iowa_616014.html

Ron Paul got nearly 2x's as much per dollar spent in Iowa than Romney. That pretty much blows away your theory that he needs to spend 10x's as much.

People love to say that Ron Paul's message is popular, but apparently not when it comes to Florida. Here is a thought, maybe people do think his message is popular, but if the campaign doesn't show up to deliver it, then no wonder his support is strictly grassroots.

The other thing people like to say it, yeah, Ron Paul does so well even despite all the negative media. Well, look how well the grassroots of Florida does, inspite of no candidate presence, or very little.

No the campaign is not going to go broke trying to compete in Florida. Yes the campaign will go broke if Florida decides to treat the campaign like the campaign treated Florida.

on fire!!!!

 

[braane]

totally false premise not backed up with facts.. here are some facts..

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/votes-received-1000-spent-iowa_616014.html

Ron Paul got nearly 2x's as much per dollar spent in Iowa than Romney. That pretty much blows away your theory that he needs to spend 10x's as much.

People love to say that Ron Paul's message is popular, but apparently not when it comes to Florida. Here is a thought, maybe people do think his message is popular, but if the campaign doesn't show up to deliver it, then no wonder his support is strictly grassroots.

The other thing people like to say it, yeah, Ron Paul does so well even despite all the negative media. Well, look how well the grassroots of Florida does, inspite of no candidate presence, or very little.

No the campaign is not going to go broke trying to compete in Florida. Yes the campaign will go broke if Florida decides to treat the campaign like the campaign treated Florida.

You can't compare the electorate of Florida to the electorate of Iowa.

Huckabee won Iowa... and then finished Florida with 13%... (there's some facts for ya)

Romney didn't campaign in Iowa until December, which is another factor that skews the results.

Iowa was also different in that we campaigned there for 6 months, not 2 weeks. What happens if the campaign goes in and spends even $1 million dollars and finishes with 10% (which is about what will happen)? We are then down that much more money, and we tried in a state and failed. It's too high of a risk.

 

[69360]

totally false premise not backed up with facts.. here are some facts..

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/votes-received-1000-spent-iowa_616014.html

Ron Paul got nearly 2x's as much per dollar spent in Iowa than Romney. That pretty much blows away your theory that he needs to spend 10x's as much.

People love to say that Ron Paul's message is popular, but apparently not when it comes to Florida. Here is a thought, maybe people do think his message is popular, but if the campaign doesn't show up to deliver it, then no wonder his support is strictly grassroots.

The other thing people like to say it, yeah, Ron Paul does so well even despite all the negative media. Well, look how well the grassroots of Florida does, inspite of no candidate presence, or very little.

No the campaign is not going to go broke trying to compete in Florida. Yes the campaign will go broke if Florida decides to treat the campaign like the campaign treated Florida.

You selfishly want RP to campaign in your home state, we get it. It's not part of the strategy, deal with it.

It's not a winnable state for Ron, the polling is dismal and it will most likely stay winner takes all.

A decision had to be made and it was.

 

[walt]

You selfishly want RP to campaign in your home state, we get it. It's not part of the strategy, deal with it.

It's not a winnable state for Ron, the polling is dismal and it will most likely stay winner takes all.

A decision had to be made and it was.

I do not live in florida and I agree with the guy - you going to personally attack me too?

 

[newbitech]

on fire!!!!

don't get me wrong walt. What I am saying is true, but it doesn't paint a pretty picture. I hate it! The campaign finished 2008 run with like 4 million in the bank and a lot of the people were like WTF??!!

The campaign went balls to the wall in Iowa over 7 delegates.. Balls to the wall in N.H. over what maybe 4 delegates? Look at the millions spent there! That was not all about delegates, that was all about momentum. And it is pretty much already the media narrative that the momentum campaign is going to come out of Florida. So any and I mean ANY momentum RP has before Florida is going to be stopped dead cold in the middle of winter after Jan. 31 if Ron Paul grassroots can't must more than 15% WITHOUT the campaign pushing@!

It's just ludicrous to think that delegates can be bought like that! And even more crazy to think that the media is gonna just give the campaign a pass on this! Especially the Florida media who are HOSTING THE CONVENTION THIS YEAR! You don't abandon Florida! geezz.

 

[Badger Paul]

"You guys can bad mouth FL and discourage us locally, but we will continue to push hard and go for the win."

Exactly. If you don't like what national did tell them to F-off, we'll do it ourselves.

And a lot of other people, many C4L affiliated, are doing exactly that instead of crying at their computers.

 

[69360]

I do not live in florida and I agree with the guy - you going to personally attack me too?

If I was going to personally attack somebody, it would be much harsher that that post.

Let's deal in reality here. Benton is the campaign manager and announced his decision.

 

[bluesc]

I do not live in florida and I agree with the guy - you going to personally attack me too?

You agree with the guy just for the sake of disagreeing with the campaign.

 

[walt]

don't get me wrong walt. What I am saying is true, but it doesn't paint a pretty picture. I hate it! The campaign finished 2008 run with like 4 million in the bank and a lot of the people were like WTF??!!

The campaign went balls to the wall in Iowa over 7 delegates.. Balls to the wall in N.H. over what maybe 4 delegates? Look at the millions spent there! That was not all about delegates, that was all about momentum. And it is pretty much already the media narrative that the momentum campaign is going to come out of Florida. So any and I mean ANY momentum RP has before Florida is going to be stopped dead cold in the middle of winter after Jan. 31 if Ron Paul grassroots can't must more than 15% WITHOUT the campaign pushing@!

It's just ludicrous to think that delegates can be bought like that! And even more crazy to think that the media is gonna just give the campaign a pass on this! Especially the Florida media who are HOSTING THE CONVENTION THIS YEAR! You don't abandon Florida! geezz.

I know and that is why you are a true patriot. The campaign was advertising Florida while asking for donations. Not good.

 

[Badger Paul]

"That was not all about delegates, that was all about momentum."

That's right and if RP can take second or third on pure momentum in Florida without spending so much as a dime, that's exactly what they're going to do.

By the way, he's going to have to go to Florida anyways, there are two debates scheduled before the primary later this month. Grassroots can plan a rally for them.

 

[walt]

You agree with the guy just for the sake of disagreeing with the campaign.

No I do it because I want the funds to be used to win...

 

[newbitech]

You can't compare the electorate of Florida to the electorate of Iowa.

Huckabee won Iowa... and then finished Florida with 13%... (there's some facts for ya)

Romney didn't campaign in Iowa until December, which is another factor that skews the results.

Iowa was also different in that we campaigned there for 6 months, not 2 weeks. What happens if the campaign goes in and spends even $1 million dollars and finishes with 10% (which is about what will happen)? We are then down that much more money, and we tried in a state and failed. It's too high of a risk.

you said it would cost RP 10x's as much as Romney to compete. You were wrong about that.

Huckabee also had to deal with major campaigns setting up shop in Florida. There was a lot more money going around in 2008. That is also a fact. And I am not comparing the electorate in Iowa with Florida. I am comparing the money spent, like you did. And speaking of the electorate. Florida is so much a better representation of the country than Iowa, N.H., or S.C. And the media spin. Eesshh.

 

[bluesc]

No I do it because I want the funds to be used to win...

Then help raise the funds to compete in Florida. We don't have them right now.

 

[floridasun1983]

You selfishly want RP to campaign in your home state, we get it. It's not part of the strategy, deal with it.

It's not a winnable state for Ron, the polling is dismal and it will most likely stay winner takes all.

A decision had to be made and it was.

I won't speak for him, but for me, I am trying to figure out what the strategy is for Ron Paul to win the nomination. I hear a lot of fanciful ideas here that don't make any sense in the context of Ron winning the nomination. My fear is that the strategy was to win Iowa and use it as the springboard to launch Ron into contention in the other early states, and when that did not happen, I'm very afraid they are winging it now.

 

[walt]

Then help raise the funds to compete in Florida. We don't have them right now.

I don't think funds are the problem, we have the numbers to do other tactics.

 

[sailingaway]

Here is what Ron Paul said:

Politico reported Sunday that Jesse Benton, Paul's spokesman, said the campaign would not campaign in Florida or run ads there -- too expensive for a state that has lost half of its delegates -- and focus instead on caucuses in Louisiana, Nevada and Maine.

Paul said that depends on fundraising -- which hasn't been a problem for the campaign in the past.

Paul is already running ads in South Carolina, where he plans to campaign.

"I know we have a lot of support there, they're always bothering me because I don't get there enough. '' Paul said. "Florida is a different story. It's a bigger state, and we'll have to see how the funds come in. We've asked for the funds, and supporters are pretty good … so that would make the determination.''

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...2/01/paul-looks-to-move-up-in-new-hampshire/1

So, that is Ron, talking.

 

[69360]

I won't speak for him, but for me, I am trying to figure out what the strategy is for Ron Paul to win the nomination. I hear a lot of fanciful ideas here that don't make any sense in the context of Ron winning the nomination. My fear is that the strategy was to win Iowa and use it as the springboard to launch Ron into contention in the other early states, and when that did not happen, I'm very afraid they are winging it now.

Their strategy is to gain enough delegates to win the nomination, barring that have enough delagates to force a brokered convention. This has been the strategy all along.

Another strategy has been to force the field down to a 2 man race Ron vs. mittens.

Benton has said all this in interviews and press releases.

 

[braane]

you said it would cost RP 10x's as much as Romney to compete. You were wrong about that.

Huckabee also had to deal with major campaigns setting up shop in Florida. There was a lot more money going around in 2008. That is also a fact. And I am not comparing the electorate in Iowa with Florida. I am comparing the money spent, like you did. And speaking of the electorate. Florida is so much a better representation of the country than Iowa, N.H., or S.C. And the media spin. Eesshh.

Votes Received per $1000 spent != to effectiveness of money spent.There was a lot more factors than money that went into our Iowa result. We had people on the ground constantly for 6 months. Sign waves. Ron Campaigning. Phone from home. Etc.

"Huckabee had to deal with major campaigns setting up shop in Florida". Romney is going to go into Florida and spend everything he can to make sure he wins. He is counting on Florida sealing the deal. You will also see Gingrich try to make a last stand. Neither of which we can beat in Florida. You are right, there was more money going around last time, and money this time is much harder to come by (hence why we shouldn't spend it).

The campaign isn't going, and it's the right strategy.

 

[floridasun1983]

Their strategy is to gain enough delegates to win the nomination, barring that have enough delagates to force a brokered convention. This has been the strategy all along.

Another strategy has been to force the field down to a 2 man race Ron vs. mittens.

Benton has said all this in interviews and press releases.

Oh yes, I know that's what they keep saying. I don't see how that can happen if he never wins any contests and skips some states entirely. Its something that sounds real good but the logistics are daunting at best.