Ron Paul, Buy a 15 Minute Block Of TV Time. Subvert The MSM! Speak To The People!

[parocks]

Fast as in, by the end of the year. It's almost October so time is ticking.

The Iowa Caucuses are scheduled to be held on February 6. 5 months away.

That's a lot of time.

But I just feel that a 30 minute spot should be made that appeals to likely Republican caucus goers. It really shouldn't take too long to do that.
Run it on Saturday afternoons on affiliates in Iowa in January. NH too.

 

[libertygrl]

We need to do both.

What about the Independents? I heard one political strategist say recently that the person who wins the presidency, will be the one who captures the 24% or so of the independent vote.

 

[angelatc]

I say "we need to do both"...

I'm not trying to knock the campaign. I have Matt on my ignore list, but the stuff I saw quoted isn't wrong. The campaign absolutely needs to to all those things, and our second place finish in the Iowa straw poll clearly indicates they're doing things right.

On the other hand, just because this isn't something the campaign is already doing doesn't mean this is a terribly bad idea that won't win elections. This is a good idea, and it's not a political novelty. It's been proven effective in the past, and I've seen no legitimate reason to think it won't be effective again.

This is really our last chance. Ron is either retiring or serving a term as president. It's that simple. If we can do something together though - as the hardcore grassroots supporters - that doesn't hurt the campaign's efforts and actually speaks to the disenfranchised average American voter, then I think we should absolutely take the chance.

 

[libertygrl]

I think the first step is doing a video ad is seeing what issues concerns Americans most. Then we can build a concept around that.

Check out the latest Rasmussen Poll:

Thursday, August 25, 2011

The economy remains the number one issue on voters' minds, but the number who consider it Very Important has fallen to its lowest level since late 2007. The importance of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan also has dropped to record lows.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 74% of Likely U.S. Voters rate the economy as Very Important in terms of how they will vote in the next congressional election. That's down from 76% in April, the first time the finding had been out of the 80s since September 2008. Eighty-seven percent (87%) felt that way as recently as December. Voters have consistently ranked the economy first or second in importance among 10 issues regular surveyed on by Rasmussen Reports for several years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Health care continues to hold the number two spot in terms of importance. Sixty-nine percent (69%) rate health care as Very Important in terms of how they vote. That's up six points from April, which marked the lowest finding since March of last year.

Most voters continue to support repeal of the national health care law and believe the new law is likely to be repealed.

Voters rank taxes as the third most important voting issue, with 63% rating it Very Important in terms of how they vote. While that's generally in line with findings since February 2009, taxes moved into third place in importance in April for the first time since February of last year.

Most voters continue to feel that tax cuts and decreases in government spending help the U.S. economy.

Two surveys, each of 1,000 Likely Voters nationwide, were conducted on June 12-15, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error for each survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Issue


Economy - 84%

Gov't Ethics and Corruption - 67%

Health Care -65%

Taxes -63%

Education- 61%

Social Security -60%

Immigration -46%

National Security/War on Terror -39%

Afghanistan -24%

War in Iraq - 21%


Sadly, the wars don't seem to be that important to Americans. I think a key component to the tv spot would be video where Ron Paul predicted these things while the media and other politicians just dismissed him about it.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/importance_of_issues

 

[parocks]

I'm not trying to knock the campaign. I have Matt on my ignore list, but the stuff I saw quoted isn't wrong. The campaign absolutely needs to to all those things, and our second place finish in the Iowa straw poll clearly indicates they're doing things right.

On the other hand, just because this isn't something the campaign is already doing doesn't mean this is a terribly bad idea that won't win elections. This is a good idea, and it's not a political novelty. It's been proven effective in the past, and I've seen no legitimate reason to think it won't be effective again.

This is really our last chance. Ron is either retiring or serving a term as president. It's that simple. If we can do something together though - as the hardcore grassroots supporters - that doesn't hurt the campaign's efforts and actually speaks to the disenfranchised average American voter, then I think we should absolutely take the chance.

I don't know why you think that Ron Paul will either be retiring or President. Also a position in the administration is possible.

If the campaign is already doing this, we shouldn't be doing this, or we should be working within the context of the campaign to do this.

 

[parocks]

What about the Independents? I heard one political strategist say recently that the person who wins the presidency, will be the one who captures the 24% or so of the independent vote.

Right, Indies fall under the same category as 18-29. Napshad thinks we should ignore everyone who is not demographically considered a likely Republican voter.

We need to find our supporters and make sure they're registered and do vote.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

I already explained; the conditions we're campaigning under are completely different than they were before. Apples and oranges. Ron Paul is different from past candidates, as he's the only major candidates in decades with strooooong cross-party appeal.

No, electoral math is just that, math. It doesn't change based upon who is running.

Strategy and tactics are consistent unless human nature changes, and it hasn't, and it won't.

Except people are a bit more willing to go out of their way to vote for this guy when they realize their whole country is at stake.

Only a few people are, but not large swaths of the population. This is why it's imperative to focus on those who will likely be voting in the Republican primary or caucuses.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Right, Indies fall under the same category as 18-29. Napshad thinks we should ignore everyone who is not demographically considered a likely Republican voter.

Exactly. If they are unlikely to vote in the Republican primary or caucus, then we should not be wasting resources on them. We have to flip likely Republican voters to our side.

We need to find our supporters and make sure they're registered and do vote.

Yes, that is called GOTV and ensuring our voters DO turn out.

 

[trey4sports]

While i am strongly against a infomercial, i would say if you guys want to fund it and follow through with it I would advise staying on the ecoonomy. All the polls show that is the issue people are focused on. Ron not only has the solutions to FIX the economy but he also PREDICTED the mess.

The only way i would speak about foreign policy is in relation to how broke our country is and how cutting foreign adventurism would help to ensure we don't have to cut grandmas social security.

 

[trey4sports]

This thread reminds me a lot of the blimp throught-process last time. A lot of people thought that we had to do things outside of the box if we wanted to win but what we quickly figured out is that if you want to play with the big boys and WIN elections you're going to have to use proven tactics, not blimps and infomercials.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

This thread reminds me a lot of the blimp throught-process last time. A lot of people thought that we had to do things outside of the box if we wanted to win but what we quickly figured out is that if you want to play with the big boys and WIN elections you're going to have to use proven tactics, not blimps and infomercials.

Thank you for another voice of reason and experience around here.

 

[angelatc]

While i am strongly against a infomercial, i would say if you guys want to fund it and follow through with it I would advise staying on the ecoonomy. All the polls show that is the issue people are focused on. Ron not only has the solutions to FIX the economy but he also PREDICTED the mess.

The only way i would speak about foreign policy is in relation to how broke our country is and how cutting foreign adventurism would help to ensure we don't have to cut grandmas social security.

We absolutely need to reach an audience we aren't reaching now, and by that I mean senior citizens. The crosstabs on the polls show that he is failing with the seniors, and they're the demographic that;s most likely to vote. Telling them that he isn't going to take away their Social Security and Medicare is key, but appealing to their sense of family - ie: we need to protect your children and grandchildren from being subjected to this vote-buying fearmongering from the status quo, too.

Obviously someone needs to tone that down a little. OK, a lot.

 

[trey4sports]

We absolutely need to reach an audience we aren't reaching now, and by that I mean senior citizens. The crosstabs on the polls show that he is failing with the seniors, and they're the demographic that;s most likely to vote. Telling them that he isn't going to take away their Social Security and Medicare is key, but appealing to their sense of family - ie: we need to protect your children and grandchildren from being subjected to this vote-buying fearmongering from the status quo, too.

Obviously someone needs to tone that down a little. OK, a lot.

I would agree with that completely.

 

[angelatc]

This thread reminds me a lot of the blimp throught-process last time. A lot of people thought that we had to do things outside of the box if we wanted to win but what we quickly figured out is that if you want to play with the big boys and WIN elections you're going to have to use proven tactics, not blimps and infomercials.

Last time we found out after the fact that we didn't really have a campaign that actually wanted to win. It's not fair to say that we failed when they're the ones that weren't really trying. If you're saying that there's no longer a place in the movement for anybody other than those who will only do what the campaign says they should do, then there's no real reason for these forums to even exist any more.

And I'm not even sure why you think the infomercial isn't proven effective. Several people in this thread have pointed out that Perot and Obama both used it quite effectively.

 

[parocks]

Exactly. If they are unlikely to vote in the Republican primary or caucus, then we should not be wasting resources on them. We have to flip likely Republican voters to our side.

Yes, that is called GOTV and ensuring our voters DO turn out.

Our supporters fall under categories that you dismiss.

They say they like us to pollsters, but, traditionally, they do not vote as often as 65+ Republicans.

You have said repeatedly that we should ignore them.

Unfortunately for us, the people who like us aren't the people who are most likely to vote.

We have to persuade them, not to like us (we've done that), but to vote in the Republican primary.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Our supporters fall under categories that you dismiss.

Our supporters are voting for us anyway. But we can't win with just that x%. We must have enough of the Republican base on our side.

 

[parocks]

This thread reminds me a lot of the blimp throught-process last time. A lot of people thought that we had to do things outside of the box if we wanted to win but what we quickly figured out is that if you want to play with the big boys and WIN elections you're going to have to use proven tactics, not blimps and infomercials.

I'm in favor of the infomercial, not the blimp.

Many, if not most, of the interesting grassroots ideas are bad.

I support the least bad of all the interesting grassroots ideas.

I could go from thread to thread saying "another bad idea".

Sometimes I do. I have to make a conscious effort not to.

Remember how Revpac wanted to make their own tv commercial and run it in Iowa? I opposed that because I thought that was something the campaign should do.
Before the Revpac (or the people who are now in the revpac) got done, the campaign released its own great commercial. So they stopped doing that.

But I'm guessing that the campaign will not be doing a 30 minute infomercial.

A 30 minute infomercial is not the worst thing revpac can do.

 

[parocks]

Our supporters are voting for us anyway. But we can't win with just that x%. We must have enough of the Republican base on our side.

Which brings me back to "we have to do both"

And it's wrong to say our supporters are voting for us anyway.

If the only thing we're arguing about is whether we should make tv commercials targeting 23 year old independent males who have never voted in a primary before, I agree, but we do need to spend effort making sure our people are registered and do vote.

Our supporters aren't going to end up voting for Perry, but they might have forgotten to register to vote.

I like the use of Reagan in our TV spots for instance.

Also, we aren't the official campaign. The official campaign is not expecting us to do the targeting of the old republicans, but the young independents.

Official campaign = get older Republicans with TV
Grassroots = get younger independents with grassroots activities.

What grassroots should be doing is growing the grassroots, growing the meetup groups, getting people signed up with youth for Ron Paul.

When the campaign needs boots on the ground in a certain state, the grassroots should be able to provide the bodies that the official campaign needs.

Those boots on the ground this coming winter will not be the 65+ Republicans, but the 18-29 Independents.

 

[Eric21ND]

If it plays all over Iowa, then game on!

A national ad would be a little pointless and very expensive. We still need to win an early state.

 

[trey4sports]

Last time we found out after the fact that we didn't really have a campaign that actually wanted to win. It's not fair to say that we failed when they're the ones that weren't really trying. 1. If you're saying that there's no longer a place in the movement for anybody other than those who will only do what the campaign says they should do, then there's no real reason for these forums to even exist any more.

2. And I'm not even sure why you think the infomercial isn't proven effective. Several people in this thread have pointed out that Perot and Obama both used it quite effectively.

1. C'mon you and I both know that is a slippery slope.

2. Yes, and they had deep pockets and even more importantly they utilized all other tactics before resorting to an infomercial. If infomercials were proven tactics for winnning elections then you'd see other candidates utilizing that tactic.