Ron Paul, Buy a 15 Minute Block Of TV Time. Subvert The MSM! Speak To The People!

[Deborah K]

Love this idea!

 

[LawnWake]

No, electoral math is just that, math. It doesn't change based upon who is running.

Strategy and tactics are consistent unless human nature changes, and it hasn't, and it won't.


Only a few people are, but not large swaths of the population. This is why it's imperative to focus on those who will likely be voting in the Republican primary or caucuses.

'Desperate times call for desperate measures' is also human nature. And desperate times are exactly what we're in. This is more than math.

And before I forget; it's also a chance for Ron Paul to use the mainstream media to explain get his point across without being left out, ridiculed or interupted. Surely you don't fail to see the importance of getting Ron Paul's message out there with a bias TOWARDS us instead of AGAINST us?

 

[mstrmac1]

1. C'mon you and I both know that is a slippery slope.

2. Yes, and they had deep pockets and even more importantly they utilized all other tactics before resorting to an infomercial. If infomercials were proven tactics for winnning elections then you'd see other candidates utilizing that tactic.

Trey,

If you don't like the Idea then don't be apart of it. Its that simple... move on to another thread! Why would you stop an idea that you wouldn't help anyway? I'm sure your a good guy and all, but why are you trying to stop an idea from evolving? Just go and do your own thing... It's my Revolution too!!

 

[AdamT]

While i am strongly against a infomercial, i would say if you guys want to fund it and follow through with it I would advise staying on the ecoonomy. All the polls show that is the issue people are focused on. Ron not only has the solutions to FIX the economy but he also PREDICTED the mess.

The only way i would speak about foreign policy is in relation to how broke our country is and how cutting foreign adventurism would help to ensure we don't have to cut grandmas social security.

I'm telling you this can be done right and be extremely effective.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

The people who bash the blimp, do not understand the blimp.
It gave a lot of us hope. It showed us that when we come together, anything is possible.

Anyways, onto what I was going to post....

If we could get Ron Paul to sit in front a HD video camera, and have him tape an hour on each issue...
Then edit that down to 28min on each issue, and then spam them on Iowa/NH local tv.

30mins of Ron Paul explaining why the economy is broken and how to fix it.
30mins of Ron Paul explaining why our current policy of foreign intervention is doomed to fail and how to prevent the collapse.
30mins of Ron Paul explaining the meaning of the constitution and proper role of the federal government.

If the infomercial is about issues, and not about the candidate, then can SuperPAC fund it?
Can Ron Paul himself be the one presenting the issues, but not say "I will if president...", instead just say this is what needs to be done to fix it?
Could superPAC air it if it was shot as a book commercial, you know for those books Ron Paul wrote on these subjects??


Onto the national ad buy and why it is a great idea and must be done:
If Ron Paul did an Obama style ad buy, all major networks at prime-time, everyone would have no choice but to take him seriously.
They would have a hell of a time blacking him out after that, and they could no longer say he is not a frontrunner.

 

[Tarzan]

I'm telling you this can be done right and be extremely effective.

If done correctly this could be a big gainer for Ron Paul

During the last cycle the RP campaign ran a 30 minute infomercial. It was not well produced and primarily of stock video of RP. It only ran once in Iowa. Prior to this infomercial running RP was at 4% in Iowa. Four days later the same poll was retaken. This infomercial ran between those two polls. When the poll was retaken RP was at 11%. So, Ron Paul at 4%... infomercial runs... Ron Paul at 11%.

There are always many possible contributing factors to poll results so I cannot prove that that infomercial was the sole source of this jump in the polls. But, as far as I can remember, little else happened during that period to account for the substantial jump in RPs poll numbers.

If this is well considered (the earlier one did emphasized RPs stance on his religious beliefs, among other issues)... if it is well produced... if the traffic control puts it in front of the right viewers in sufficient quantity... if we can afford it... It could be a game changer. It would not necessarily require a national distribution. I would suggest testing it in an area receptive to RPs message. Choose a state and place the spot a couple of days prior to an authoritative polling group performing a poll... preferably an update to a poll they have taken previously. It would give us an indication as to its effectiveness... and, could make the news if the poll (or polls) show a substantial jump in that state.

We really need to give this some serious consideration... find out the costs... the logistics... and do it if possible.
you know... that due diligence thing

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I need to clear some things up as to the rate cards, but as the rep explained to me and as I read the cards - you get the whole country (well, 150-250 markets/cities) for the $12,500 per showing rate. This bringing up of doing a state makes me wonder, but it looks like it's MUCH more expensive to do that. Looking at IA, there are 3 major markets, a Major C, and 2 two Mid B's. To run the add in those 3 markets would cost about $7,500.

$7,500 for one state vs $12,500 for the whole country...

Unless I'm missing something it would be really stupid to run the ad in 2-3 states.

Now as to all of you that keep harping on that we are only interested in registered Republicans because they are the only ones that can vote in Republican primaries:

2012 Primaries:

OPEN (18 states) Anyone can vote
Arkansas
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
North Dakota
Ohio
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia
Wisconsin

SEMI-CLOSED (10 states) Independents can vote but Dems can't
Alabama
Arizona
Colorado
Idaho
Iowa
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
New Jersey
North Carolina
Rhode Island

CLOSED (19) Only Republicans. Registration deadline follows state name.
Alaska - N/A
Connecticut - Thu Apr 19
Delaware - Mon Apr 9
District of Columbia - Mon Mar 5
Florida - Tue Jan 3
Kentucky - Mon Apr 23
Maine - N/A
Maryland - Tue Mar 13
Nebraska - Fri Apr 27
Nevada - N/A
New Mexico - TBA
New York - TBA
Oklahoma - TBA
Oregon - Tue Apr 24
Pennsylvania - TBA
South Dakota - TBA
Utah - N/A
West Virginia - TBA
Wyoming - N/A

Top Two (3) basically open – top 2 candidates get on the ballot.
California
Louisiana
Washington

Sources:
http://www.fairvote.org/open-and-closed-primaries
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread742675/pg1
https://www.overseasvotefoundation.org/2012-Primary-Dates-Chart

nuff said!

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Our supporters fall under categories that you dismiss.

They say they like us to pollsters, but, traditionally, they do not vote as often as 65+ Republicans.

You have said repeatedly that we should ignore them.

Unfortunately for us, the people who like us aren't the people who are most likely to vote.

We have to persuade them, not to like us (we've done that), but to vote in the Republican primary.

Nepoleon's Shadow and others keep harping about going after the Republican base. I really don't care about the Republican base!

Why? Because the official campaign has proven itself quite adept at reaching these people and influencing them. Because they have the Voter Vault database access that can most effectively do that and because that just about every time we get working on something that's going somewhere they try and take it over. Therefor, lets ignore the Republican base.

Lets go after Democrats and non voters ( 18 states with open primaries + 3 top two)
Lets go after Independents (the above 21 states + 10 more semi-closed where they can vote).

That's 3/5ths of the country! 31 states! If we pick up Republicans, great – but let the campaign focus on those 19 states where people have to get registered Republican.

Remember Ron Paul's “What if the people woke up” speech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo

How about a variation on that? And I'm really thinking about reaching out to the 50% of the population that does not vote here, in particular:

What if come November you didn't have to pick the lesser of two evils, hold your nose and vote?
What if there was someone that broke the 2 party business as usual paradigm?
What if your savings didn't have to loose value every month?
What if someone had a plan to actually save social security instead of putting off it's going bankrupt by a few more years?
What if we could end these wars?
What if someone really understood the economy, predicted the bubbles and could get it back on track?
What if we could pay off the debt?

Tune in to channel on date/time or date/time to find out how this could happen. You are the key to turning this country around.

For more information: http://OurEastToRememberURL.com

Run that ad in clusters (on many channels) in the week leading up to the broadcasts and I bet we'd get a lot of viewers.

Thoughts?

-t

 

[SilentBull]

I think this is a great idea if the campaign does it, or if RevolutionPAC does it. The grassroots getting involved in something like this really scares me! Too many people in this movement have no clue what it takes to persuade people that do not think like they do. One project comes to mind. At the RNC, DVDs were being handed out to Republican delegates to convince them to vote for Paul, and if it did anything, it pissed off the Republicans even more. The DVD starts off whining about Paul not getting enough TV coverage, and showing how popular he is online.

 

[Eric21ND]

Can we show For Liberty all over Iowa?

I don't care if its public access or runs at 3:00 am, that documentary converts people on the spot, and I'm talking into activists not just voters.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Nepoleon's Shadow and others keep harping about going after the Republican base. I really don't care about the Republican base!

That is very narrow, short sighted, and flat out ignorant.

Ron Paul is a Republican. He is running in a Republican primary. And in most states, only Republicans can vote for him.

If you don't focus on the Republican base, then you will not achieve electoral victory. It's just that simple.

Why? Because the official campaign has proven itself quite adept at reaching these people and influencing them. Because they have the Voter Vault database access that can most effectively do that and because that just about every time we get working on something that's going somewhere they try and take it over. Therefor, lets ignore the Republican base.

Lets go after Democrats and non voters ( 18 states with open primaries + 3 top two)
Lets go after Independents (the above 21 states + 10 more semi-closed where they can vote).

That's 3/5ths of the country! 31 states! If we pick up Republicans, great – but let the campaign focus on those 19 states where people have to get registered Republican.

The vast majority of Democrats and independents either can't or won't vote in a Republican primary / caucus. This is why the Republican base is so important. You are focused on maybe 5% of the those will be voting in the upcoming Republican primary / caucuses when you SHOULD be focused on about the other 95% of the Republican base.

Phone bank through the campaign's system, and go door-to-door to likely Republican voters in your precinct. THAT is how electoral victory will be achieved. We tried it your way last time and you see the result. This time we must use conventional, tried, and proven methods if we want electoral victory.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

The people who bash the blimp, do not understand the blimp.
It gave a lot of us hope. It showed us that when we come together, anything is possible.

Do you want hope and to make people feel good, or do you want to achieve electoral victory?

Campaigning is not sexy. Phone calls are not always fun. Going door-to-door is hard work. But that's what wins elections.


We don't need a kum-by-ya session, we need victory, which means doing those unfun things that are necessary to win.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

'Desperate times call for desperate measures' is also human nature. And desperate times are exactly what we're in. This is more than math.

Really? We had desperate times last election cycle and I think the Congressional incumbency re-election rate was still something like 85%.


So no, desperate measures don't work. Proven, tried, and conventional time-tested methods are what will win electoral victory.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

And it's wrong to say our supporters are voting for us anyway.

Why? Ron gets a solid 8% or so of the electorate almost guaranteed no matter what. Even the media has admitted that much.

but we do need to spend effort making sure our people are registered and do vote.

Voter registration efforts typically don't result in high turnout. It's the long way around the mountain. GOTV is absolutely important, but that is only done within 72 hours or less from the actual election.

Our supporters aren't going to end up voting for Perry, but they might have forgotten to register to vote.

Which is all the more reason we need to focus on likely Republican voters.


If someone isn't registered to vote then they probably won't end up voting at all.

Also, we aren't the official campaign. The official campaign is not expecting us to do the targeting of the old republicans, but the young independents.

Incorrect. The official campaign is expecting people to do phone banking and door-to-door of likely Republican voters.

Official campaign = get older Republicans with TV
Grassroots = get younger independents with grassroots activities.

Younger independents usually don't vote in a Republican primary or caucus. The older Republicans make up about 95% of those who will be voting. That's where the focus needs to be, not the 5% of younger independents.

What grassroots should be doing is growing the grassroots, growing the meetup groups, getting people signed up with youth for Ron Paul.

When the campaign needs boots on the ground in a certain state, the grassroots should be able to provide the bodies that the official campaign needs.

Those boots on the ground this coming winter will not be the 65+ Republicans, but the 18-29 Independents.

Very good point. Once these people are active, we then have to target the average likely Republican voters.

 

[AgentOrange]

Because the official campaign has proven itself quite adept at reaching these people and influencing them. Because they have the Voter Vault database access that can most effectively do that and because that just about every time we get working on something that's going somewhere they try and take it over. Therefor, lets ignore the Republican base.

No, they haven't. If the campaign was adept at reaching Republican voters, then Dr Paul would have done much better in 2007 than he actually did. Dr Paul won ZERO states in 2007. The reason, Republican senior citizens were not focused on. If we want to win, all of our focused efforts must be on this. After February, when he's secured the nomination, THAT is when we worry about reaching independents/Democrats. Worrying about independents/Democrats now is a sure-fire way to lose. We can not afford for money & time to be diluted--it needs to all be focused on Republican voters in early voting states.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

You're a broken record... it's getting booring.

This project is not about what you want to do. Why don't you go off and focus on the types of activities you are focused on rather than telling us we are all wrong. Better yet - go knock on some doors and do some of that phone banking you spend endless hours talking about.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

No, they haven't. If the campaign was adept at reaching Republican voters, then Dr Paul would have done much better in 2007 than he actually did. Dr Paul won ZERO states in 2007. The reason, Republican senior citizens were not focused on. If we want to win, all of our focused efforts must be on this. After February, when he's secured the nomination, THAT is when we worry about reaching independents/Democrats. Worrying about independents/Democrats now is a sure-fire way to lose. We can not afford for money & time to be diluted--it needs to all be focused on Republican voters in early voting states.

Then go focus on them.

others here like the focus of this thread which is somewhat different.

 

[Napolitanic Wars]

I hope agent orange's advice is already seriously considered by the campaign. I haven't seen anything that specifically targets seniors yet.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

This project is not about what you want to do. Why don't you go off and focus on the types of activities you are focused on rather than telling us we are all wrong. Better yet - go knock on some doors and do some of that phone banking you spend endless hours talking about.

Becuause I'm trying to persuede people from squandering their money and time on unproductive activities and instead encourage people to do productive things that will help achieve electoral victory .

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

If the campaign was adept at reaching Republican voters, then Dr Paul would have done much better in 2007 than he actually did. Dr Paul won ZERO states in 2007.

The campaign is very different this time around and is being run as such.