Ron Paul and Mike Gravel to meet Tuesday

[richardfortherepublic]

LOL what good would that do?

 

[angelatc]

What is it about Gravel that classifies him as nutty? I'm not being snarky, I'm actually interested.

I don't think he's a kook. I think he's painted as a kook, much like Paul, because he speaks the truth.

And the other candidates roll their eyes in condescension, because they can't seriously address those truths without being outed as hypocritical liars.

 

[jlaker]

I don't think he's a kook. I think he's painted as a kook, much like Paul, because he speaks the truth.

And the other candidates roll their eyes in condescension, because they can't seriously address those truths without being outed as hypocritical liars.

I agree, he is very honest and to the point. I seen him praise youtube because it lets out information that media tries to hide.

 

[[email protected]]

Well my opinion about these meetings is that they might be planning the next phase in the movement. (remember this isn't just about Dr.Paul)

Perhaps we may start seeing a movement for united Constitutional party, with Pap Buchanan, Andrew Napolitano, Bob Barr, Goldwater jr. etc.... or just a private organization like Liberty PAC.

I'd expect to see more of these meetings.

Buchanan is an Insider.

 

[Naraku]

Gravel proposes direct Democracy as a path to "world government", not to mention just passing laws in general....an absolutely terrible idea if you ask me (this is a Republic, NOT a Democracy).

Either way, I doubt if this news is true, but it's interesting none-the-less.

It was inevitable that Gravel being brought up leads to this continued nonsense about republic not democracy. Our system is a democracy and always has been. The Founders understood democracy in a way different from what it really was, they weren't as wise as our American history books paint them. They really only understood democracy in the sense of a government run by majority, which is not what democracy means.

The basis of federalist-libertarian ideals is actually democracy because it involves having the power as close to the people as people as possible or simply giving them the power. That is the definition of democracy, rule by the people.

 

[SimpleName]

I am pleasured to see some here on the board respect Gravel as I do. While certainly he is not exactly fighting for liberty the way Paul has, he has creative ideas that could be applied that would give more opportunity to everyone. Love his ideas about democratic citizen-driven creation of laws. **Of course they may conflict with the constitution, but that can be eventually amended and you may be able to just have the Congress give final ruling, but let committees of average citizens organize and propose law** Anyway, point being, I would be interested to see the two least talked about candidates get together is some sort of alliance. Both men are constantly being put down for kookiness, which we know is BS. Plus they both are very honest and have outside-the-box thoughts/ideas.

 

[Banana]

FWIW, Washington state has a initiative where public can propose laws without going through the legilsation. It has been a mixed bag, no thanks and thanks to Tim Eyman.

As for democracy/republic, I understand that FFA didn't really want to leave it in hands of majority- rights of minority has to be protected and it's easy to deteoriate into a mob rule- just look at 9/11 and Patriot Act! This is partially why they had electoral college to elect presidents rather than relying on popular vote. I think the idea of delegation makes most sense. Not everyone is interested in political, but everyone does know someone else who they personally know and can trust to make some decision. By keeping government local, and delegating much less power to higher level, we make it more easier for people to keep close eye on their government.

Hard to hide corruption when your constituent is also your neighbor, no?

 

[Scribbles]

It was inevitable that Gravel being brought up leads to this continued nonsense about republic not democracy. Our system is a democracy and always has been. The Founders understood democracy in a way different from what it really was, they weren't as wise as our American history books paint them. They really only understood democracy in the sense of a government run by majority, which is not what democracy means.

The basis of federalist-libertarian ideals is actually democracy because it involves having the power as close to the people as people as possible or simply giving them the power. That is the definition of democracy, rule by the people.

I have to comment that I think that while not all of the founders may have been great intellectuals; there was good number of them that were, especially key ones, and they knew well what they were writing and trying to establish back then.

 

[khorbis]

It really doesn't matter what Gravel believes in, even if that means socialism. All that matters to me is that he's proven himself to be made of the same stuff as Ron Paul. I'll always pick the good man with bad ideas over the bad man with bad ideas, but maybe I'm 5 shades of crazy like that.

 

[Kludge]

*Voluntarily removed....*

Went a little overboard Sorry.