Romney/Paul tag team on Gingrich may get him out of the race

[bbartlog]

I think it's actually more likely that Romney would get squeezed, assuming we are successful. Gingrich is still favored to win Florida. If he does that and if we manage to beat Romney in some of the caucuses (say, Maine and Minnesota), then Romney starts to look pretty weak. Now of course it might be that Romney will win all those caucuses, but frankly then it's us getting squeezed.

I wonder if after June comes and if RP doesn't get the nod, if he'll announce he's running Indy.

Hope not. Those resources would be better spent organizing and getting other liberty candidates in office. Seriously: if we can't win the (R) primary, why would we be able to win the more difficult 3-way running as Independent?

 

[torchbearer]

we need a three way race for a brokered convention. and we need the other two candidates to hate each other very much.

 

[Sublyminal]

I think it's actually more likely that Romney would get squeezed, assuming we are successful. Gingrich is still favored to win Florida. If he does that and if we manage to beat Romney in some of the caucuses (say, Maine and Minnesota), then Romney starts to look pretty weak. Now of course it might be that Romney will win all those caucuses, but frankly then it's us getting squeezed.



Hope not. Those resources would be better spent organizing and getting other liberty candidates in office. Seriously: if we can't win the (R) primary, why would we be able to win the more difficult 3-way running as Independent?

Same reason Perot would have won had he not dropped out five months before. The Indy vote + the Disenfranchised Democrats + all of us.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ron should have been attacking Newt lastnight . Newt will be too busy trying to fight off Romney with all his money in FL because its a winner take all state....Newt won't waste money trying to attack Paul because itd make him look bad and its a waste of money since his real fight in FL is against Romney. Paul needs to stop being mr nice guy with newt.

 

[torchbearer]

Ron just needs to run ads about himself explaining his positions better.
let Romney and Gingrich throw shit at each other. we are in the driver seat of a three way convention.

 

[RonPaulMyPresident]

Its not a good idea to go with Romney because we are competing for the same voters he's competing for (the educated intelligent voters).

If you look at the race so far, Gingrich was only successful in South Carolina because SC is a hawkish state. He was far behind in Iowa and NH, the states Ron Paul and Mitt Romney did well in.


Gingrich's popularity will diminish once we move up north. Its Mitt Romney we have to be worried about.

 

[RonPaulMyPresident]

Ron should have been attacking Newt lastnight . Newt will be too busy trying to fight off Romney with all his money in FL because its a winner take all state....Newt won't waste money trying to attack Paul because itd make him look bad and its a waste of money since his real fight in FL is against Romney. Paul needs to stop being mr nice guy with newt.

Sit back, relax, and watch Gingrich and Romney attack each other. They both made big fools out of themselves last night.

 

[torchbearer]

Its not a good idea to go with Romney because we are competing for the same voters he's competing for (the educated intelligent voters).

If you look at the race so far, Gingrich was only successful in South Carolina because SC is a hawkish state. He was far behind in Iowa and NH, the states Ron Paul and Mitt Romney did well in.


Gingrich's popularity will diminish once we move up north. Its Mitt Romney we have to be worried about.

we should worry about neither, and do the things we need to do to win delegates where we can.
we need those two retards to split the rest of the votes.
if one knocks the other out of the race, we have a hard time winning this thing.

 

[Liberty1789]

For RonPaulMyPresident

From exit polls so far, share of Paul's votes cast by education:
Never attended College 16%
Some College 20%
College Grads 18%
Postgraduates 15% (Romney cruising at 40% here: the Harvard halo effect!)

So Paul is not disproportionately attractive to the educated (to my great disappointment!).

 

[torchbearer]

For RonPaulMyPresident

From exit polls so far, share of Paul's votes cast by education:
Never attended College 16%
Some College 20%
College Grads 18%
Postgraduates 15% (Romney cruising at 40% here: the Harvard halo effect!)

So Paul is not disproportionately attractive to the educated (to my great disappointment!).

where people get their info is a greater at determining how someone thinks about ron paul.
if all you watched is fox news, you'd have a negative view of ron paul.
if you tv was stuck on a loop of freedom watch, you'd have a positive view of ron paul.
if everyone you knew was a ron paul supporter- you'd probably be a ron paul supporter.
if everyone you knew was trapped in the same fox news reality as you were, you'd hate ron paul.
we base our decisions in life on the information we have available.

 

[Jingles]

I've seen a lot of people hoping/thinking Mitt Romney will drop out if Gingrich begins to overshadow him. This isn't happening. Romney is in it for the long haul.

 

[torchbearer]

I've seen a lot of people hoping/thinking Mitt Romney will drop out if Gingrich begins to overshadow him. This isn't happening. Romney is in it for the long haul.

and this works out for us in the end.

 

[iamse7en]

If Romney drops out, there is no chance in hell of him endorsing Gingrich. And hear me out. Romney seems like the type to hold a grudge, and he will see Newt as the reason why he is out of the race and lost the nomination. If anything he'll throw his support behind Ron, who has not really attacked Romney and they both seem to like each other.

I agree with this... let's be honest - Romney only cares about being president. He does not want to be a Sentaor or Congressman. This is his last try. If he can't win, I just don't see how he could tell everyone to support Newt. Dropping out and endorsing McCain last year was merely a political move. I kinda feel bad for the guy (but not really). He tried to do EVERYTHING to please the establishment, the CFR, the banking cartel, and the military-industrial complex... and they don't want him! Should be a lesson to opportunists out there... don't cater to the evil side, unless you're one of them, they don't want you. Romney is not evil. Newt certainly is. Newt depends upon his political power for his money and influence.

 

[Chomsky]

At a brokered convention, there is a 0% chance that Paul will get Romney or Newt delegates. One will endorse the other, in a massive-scale backroom deal.

I agree with this, I think RP collecting delegates is truly trying to win the nomination, but short of that it is more just keeping the message in the limelight than thinking they will have any tangible success at a brokered convention. I would be entertaining though, there is no question about that.

 

[Mini-Me]

I agree with this... let's be honest - Romney only cares about being president. He does not want to be a Sentaor or Congressman. This is his last try. If he can't win, I just don't see how he could tell everyone to support Newt. Dropping out and endorsing McCain last year was merely a political move. I kinda feel bad for the guy (but not really). He tried to do EVERYTHING to please the establishment, the CFR, the banking cartel, and the military-industrial complex... and they don't want him! Should be a lesson to opportunists out there... don't cater to the evil side, unless you're one of them, they don't want you. Romney is not evil. Newt certainly is. Newt depends upon his political power for his money and influence.

I wouldn't necessarily say, "They don't want him." They'll be happy to take him, so don't think they won't...it's just that he's not their first choice. I think it's also a mistake to say, "Romney is not evil." Romney isn't as close to the globalist elites as Gingrich, and he's nowhere near as volatile, but he's still a total narcissist without a conscience, so that qualifies I think.

 

[speciallyblend]

Attack Romney, Newt is just a gnat.

 

[JJ2]

I also think we want Santorum to stick around because his voters do not translate to us, so he dilutes the Newt vote thru at least Florida which is good for us and Romney.

I think we would get some of the social conservative/pro-life/Evangelical voters from Santorum who don't want to support Newt or Mitt. And also those who don't see Newt or Mitt as true conservatives so they are voting for Santorum.

 

[goldpants]

I think we would get some of the social conservative/pro-life/Evangelical voters from Santorum who don't want to support Newt or Mitt. And also those who don't see Newt or Mitt as true conservatives so they are voting for Santorum.

I agree with this. There are a lot of conservatives floating in the Santorum only because Ron is perceived as unelectable or hardly seen period. We would land many of his evangelicals and gun rights/pro-life folks. I would like to see froth gone after FL.

 

[dvalukis]

idk if February is going to stay debateless. FOX'll throw one together if they feel necessary

 

[Edward]

I think we would get some of the social conservative/pro-life/Evangelical voters from Santorum who don't want to support Newt or Mitt. And also those who don't see Newt or Mitt as true conservatives so they are voting for Santorum.

I agree with this. There are a lot of conservatives floating in the Santorum only because Ron is perceived as unelectable or hardly seen period. We would land many of his evangelicals and gun rights/pro-life folks. I would like to see froth gone after FL.

I disagree. The cross tabs in the last PPP poll out of South Carolina (PDF, p.24) show that Santorum voters like Gingrich, are split on Romney, and do not like Paul. Those folks are going Newt's way.