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Romney Campaign trying to uncertify Paul delegates in MA
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by: lonniebrennan @ Sat May 05, 2012 at 03:03:52 AM UTC
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More Hubris when humility is what is called for (0.00 / 0)
The MA-GOP / Romney Campaign made the mistake of not including a single conservative that won a State Committee that won a seat on March 6th.
These people would have been loyal Romney Delegates. But by denying them a seat at table (by merely selecting 1 per district is an alternate or delegate), they ensured that the social conservatives that elected these good people, would not show up to vote for the Romney Slate.
So the end result was the caucuses were overwhelmed by Ron Paul supporters and the Romney slated delegates got their clocks royally cleaned.
Again this could have been avoided had the powers that be not been tone deaf. But no, they chose hubris over humility, confrontation rather than cooperation, alienation over acceptance.
So now we have more hubris as the Romney campaign will disregard the results of lawfully held caucuses. And they wonder why the base of the party is not happy with the Romney campaign. And I speak as someone who voted to endorse Romney in my RTC.
This move will also prove to be unwise as whatever hope the Romney campaign had of winning over Ron Paul supporters come November will be severely damaged should they pull this stunt.
I say all this as loyal Republican, who wants to see unity, who wants to work his but of for Romney and the entire GOP ticket. But trying to convince the base and the Paul people to support Romney got a whole lot more difficult. People don't like to be taken for granted. And Romney is better than the alternative only gets you so far.
This could have been avoid, if MA-GOP chose the wisdom of Solomon instead of the foolhardiness of Rehoboam the son who succeeded him and whose stupid policies led to the division of Israel.
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Mmmmm, mmmm, mmmm. This is really starting to go sideways for the establishment knuckleheads.
by: lonniebrennan @ Sat May 05, 2012 at 03:03:52 AM UTC
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More Hubris when humility is what is called for (0.00 / 0)
The MA-GOP / Romney Campaign made the mistake of not including a single conservative that won a State Committee that won a seat on March 6th.
These people would have been loyal Romney Delegates. But by denying them a seat at table (by merely selecting 1 per district is an alternate or delegate), they ensured that the social conservatives that elected these good people, would not show up to vote for the Romney Slate.
So the end result was the caucuses were overwhelmed by Ron Paul supporters and the Romney slated delegates got their clocks royally cleaned.
Again this could have been avoided had the powers that be not been tone deaf. But no, they chose hubris over humility, confrontation rather than cooperation, alienation over acceptance.
So now we have more hubris as the Romney campaign will disregard the results of lawfully held caucuses. And they wonder why the base of the party is not happy with the Romney campaign. And I speak as someone who voted to endorse Romney in my RTC.
This move will also prove to be unwise as whatever hope the Romney campaign had of winning over Ron Paul supporters come November will be severely damaged should they pull this stunt.
I say all this as loyal Republican, who wants to see unity, who wants to work his but of for Romney and the entire GOP ticket. But trying to convince the base and the Paul people to support Romney got a whole lot more difficult. People don't like to be taken for granted. And Romney is better than the alternative only gets you so far.
This could have been avoid, if MA-GOP chose the wisdom of Solomon instead of the foolhardiness of Rehoboam the son who succeeded him and whose stupid policies led to the division of Israel.
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Mmmmm, mmmm, mmmm. This is really starting to go sideways for the establishment knuckleheads.
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WTF?
The Romney campaign is doing their best to undermine and disregard the results of lawfully held caucuses here in MA last Saturday.
Ron Paul folks should spread this around ASAP and help contact the allocation committee in MA. know I will!!!!
The Romney campaign is doing their best to undermine and disregard the results of lawfully held caucuses here in MA last Saturday.
Ron Paul folks should spread this around ASAP and help contact the allocation committee in MA. know I will!!!!
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Odd article. As far as I can tell it simply means that the Romney campaign has challenged the delegate allocation? Given that this means Dr. Paul is in for a hell of a win and that any such challenge would be rejected by the victorious Paul leadership, I'm not overly concerned.
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I say if the delegates are changed then Dr. Paul should challenge the delegates at the GOP convention and set them aside. Then Mittens wouldn't get any.
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the allocation committee is establishment I believe.
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I think Mittens is declaring war. He may regret that.
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Indeed - I think you may be right.
sailingaway, can you put this on the front page?
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Not sure if I should. Wondering if I should wait until after conventions tomorrow.
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I'm actually thinking it might be good to let those going to the conventions *know* what the Romney campaign is doing or planning on doing if things don't go their way, and to voice their concerns...
I mean, what the hell is the point of having a convention or caucus at all if the Romney campaign is simply able to push their selected people regardless? The implications of this for this and future elections are pretty brutal...
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I'm sure the campaign knows, and the campaign is working with the delegates.
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Very poor decision by the Romney crew. This will only make it a fight and draw attention to Mitt desperation even in his own state!
Could turn out to be a blessing in disguide for Dr Paul.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win!" - Mahatma Gandhi
Could turn out to be a blessing in disguide for Dr Paul.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win!" - Mahatma Gandhi
Actually this is a smart decision by them, they know that Mass delegates will sit front and center at the RNC. They're just trying to save face in front of the camera, so they don't have 'ron paul' signs up at front 
I don't think they'll challenge or use these rules anywhere else.. And honestly why is anyone pissed, they are also using RULES to accomplish their goals.. OR is it only 'fair' when we use the rules to our benefit?
I don't think they'll challenge or use these rules anywhere else.. And honestly why is anyone pissed, they are also using RULES to accomplish their goals.. OR is it only 'fair' when we use the rules to our benefit?
This is an extremely good point. If Romney wants any chance to woo Paulites he can't shaft Ron on delegate wins through RNC procedural crap. Romney needs us and we all know it. Mittens has to walk a very fine line here. Word of Romney delegates screwing us will spread like fire and that stuff only motivates us more. The RNC knows that NV is a bellweather on the delegate race. They're scared.
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Actually this is a smart decision by them, they know that Mass delegates will sit front and center at the RNC. They're just trying to save face in front of the camera, so they don't have 'ron paul' signs up at front
I don't think they'll challenge or use these rules anywhere else.. And honestly why is anyone pissed, they are also using RULES to accomplish their goals.. OR is it only 'fair' when we use the rules to our benefit?
Yeah? WTF is the point of having a caucus at all if Romney can just arbitrarily decide who the delegates are?
Fuck that shit.
The Romney campaign is doing their best to undermine and disregard the results of lawfully held caucuses.
Get it through your head: All your bases are belong to us.
You can not win with delegates. And the radicals who are hijacking this Liberty/Ron Paul movement to focus everyones energy on this senseless battle to win meaningless delegates are going to burn out liberty activists. Plays right into the status quo.
The liberty movement needs to focus its energy on things that actually might work: Education, organization, disobedience, aglomeration, etc.
The movement is squandering resources on a pipe dream.
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'WTF?
The Romney campaign is doing their best to undermine and disregard the results of lawfully held caucuses here in MA last Saturday.
Ron Paul folks should spread this around ASAP and help contact the allocation committee in MA. know I will!!!!
What amazes me is that we in Mass (just like everywhere else) followed the rules and won. Fair and square. What Romney is trying to do is to go against rules and make the process irrelevant. This just goes to show that this blowhard will do anything he can for power. How could anyone in their right mind support this loser?
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You registered 2/08, you should know the answer to this. Do you remember when Ron Paul supporters went to convention in '08. How were they treated? How was the convention run?
I'll give you the answer, the convention was run by the establishment of the party for the sake of presenting a sanitized show. A show intended to give the appearence of some democratic, open convention of ideas and speakers. But in reality it was a scripted show. Like a Cardacian trial where the outcome is always arranged in advance.
I hope a lot of ron paul supporters end up in fact going to the convention. But i hope they go there with a plan to not participate and play ball. But instead to disrupt and discredit the whole process. Instead, i think they will dellusionally read rules and proceedures and try some technocratic way to steal the nomination, and they will fail. And the media will ignore whatever "unfair" method used to thrawrt them, and/or demonize the paul agitators.
Any way you slice it, they will change, modify or ignore any rules or proceedures that lead to anything other than the desired outcome. EG RON PAUL CAN"T WIN THE NOMINATION. Focus your energies on things that have a real shot at forwarding the liberty movement. And stop acting so surprised by the gambling going on in casablanca!
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