RNC Rule Change Would Give Rand Convention Speech and Nomination Chance

[jllundqu]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/08/rnc-to-consider-allowing-8-gop-candidates-on-first-ballot/

A Republican National Committee member will propose an amendment to the GOP convention rules this summer that will allow any Republican candidate with at least one delegate to be “deemed” nominated on the first ballot.

“So, using Iowa as an example, every candidate receiving at least four percent of the vote in the Iowa caucuses will earn one delegate, and thus be nominated for consideration at the Republican National Convention,” North Dakota National Committeeman Curly Haugland, a member of the RNC Rules Committee, told The Daily Caller Tuesday.

Haugland says that since the Iowa primary, eight names would be in the nomination on the first ballot. These are Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Chris Christie, Ben Carson, Rand Paul, and Jeb

What a crazy god damned circus we have.

 

[invisible]

And instead of organizing and promoting an effort to get delegates elected, RPF has been distracted by arguments with trumpettes. Perhaps now we can go back to focusing on efforts to get Liberty Candidates elected.

 

[jmdrake]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/08/rnc-to-consider-allowing-8-gop-candidates-on-first-ballot/



What a crazy god damned circus we have.

All I gotta say is "LOL."

And instead of organizing and promoting an effort to get delegates elected, RPF has been distracted by arguments with trumpettes. Perhaps now we can go back to focusing on efforts to get Liberty Candidates elected.

^This. Here's the funny thing. Mitch McConnell and company might actually go for this. They hate Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. And no "establishment" candidate has a prayer of beating Hillary. Trump's voters and Cruz' supporters would never support a Rubio or a Kasich. I suppose the establishment could try to pump a Ben Carson, but I think he's too damaged to beat Hillary. Rand Paul is the only candidate who could pull this off.

 

[erowe1]

It's not really crazy while this is still just a proposal of one RNC member. We'll see.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

^This. Here's the funny thing. Mitch McConnell and company might actually go for this. They hate Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. And no "establishment" candidate has a prayer of beating Hillary. Trump's voters and Cruz' supporters would never support a Rubio or a Kasich. I suppose the establishment could try to pump a Ben Carson, but I think he's too damaged to beat Hillary. Rand Paul is the only candidate who could pull this off.

Right, because the GOP establishment will get behind a libertarian who wants to cut spending drastically and not be involved in foreign entanglements. The GOP would rather take their chances with Trump or Cruz then have to put the conservative principles they pretend to believe into practice.

 

[Cleaner44]

Right, because the GOP establishment will get behind a libertarian who wants to cut spending drastically and not be involved in foreign entanglements. The GOP would rather take their chances with Trump or Cruz then have to put the conservative principles they pretend to believe into practice.

QFT

 

[jmdrake]

Right, because the GOP establishment will get behind a libertarian who wants to cut spending drastically and not be involved in foreign entanglements. The GOP would rather take their chances with Trump or Cruz then have to put the conservative principles they pretend to believe into practice.

McConnell did endorse Rand over Trump and Cruz. Unless he endorsed Rand simply to hurt him (not impossible since the endorsement was the kiss of death), I assume that means that at least some in the establishment would rather take their chances with Rand than Trump or Cruz. Anyhow, we shall see what happens.

 

[eleganz]

If lightning strikes and Rand is the nominee, I promise to volunteer full time until he wins.

The rest is up to the heavens.

 

[jmdrake]

If lightning strikes and Rand is the nominee, I promise to volunteer full time until he wins.

The rest is up to the heavens.

^This!

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Shouldnt this be posted in the 2016 Elections forum?

 

[francisco]

If lightning strikes and Rand is the nominee, I promise to volunteer full time until he wins.

The rest is up to the heavens.

I'd be there too.

If a contested convention becomes likely, and it looks like Rand is a possibility for nomination by the time of the 5/31 Delegate filing deadline for my state of OR, I'll strongly consider running for a delegate position (either pledged to Rand, or as a stealth Rand supporter pledged to another candidate).

 

[openfire]

They are planning to pay the delegates to flip their votes:

MAY

The Art of the Deal

There is nothing in the RNC’s rules that prohibits delegates from cutting a deal for their votes, and lawyers say it is unlikely that federal anti-corruption laws would apply to convention horse-trading. (It is not clear that even explicitly selling one’s vote for cash would be illegal.)

Every delegate and alternate is already paying for individual travel costs to get to Cleveland. Most state parties tell delegates to expect to spend $3,000 out of pocket on airfare, hotel and meals, and for some it could prove an unexpected hardship. (Delegates are assigned hotels by state; some could end up paying for the La Quinta Inn, others stuck with a bill from the Ritz-Carlton.) As blogger Chris Ladd has noted, Trump’s slate in Illinois contains “a food service manager from a juvenile detention center, a daycare worker from a Christian School, an unemployed paralegal, a grocery store warehouse manager, one brave advocate for urban chicken farming, a dog breeder, and a guy who runs a bait shop.” Could some of them be tempted to flip their votes if a generous campaign, super-PAC, or individual donor picked up the costs of their week in Cleveland?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-14/heres-how-establishment-will-steal-gop-nomination-trump

 

[LibertyEagle]

All I gotta say is "LOL."



^This. Here's the funny thing. Mitch McConnell and company might actually go for this. They hate Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. And no "establishment" candidate has a prayer of beating Hillary. Trump's voters and Cruz' supporters would never support a Rubio or a Kasich. I suppose the establishment could try to pump a Ben Carson, but I think he's too damaged to beat Hillary. Rand Paul is the only candidate who could pull this off.

Yeah, and I think that lawyer from Ron's last candidacy is still working on securing the win for Ron.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

There is no way. They will not give it to a libertarian, currently running for senate reelection, who only has 1 delegate.

No way.

 

[tommyrp12]

Yeah, and I think that lawyer from Ron's last candidacy is still working on securing the win for Ron.

Richard Gilbert has passed away. It happened in 2012.

 

[jllundqu]

Well the RNC will do everything it can to open the field to challenge the Donald. I think they will make this rule change. Rand won't be the Nom, but a floor speech could set the stage for future runs, maybe? He could present his ideas and do some 'branding' with a national audience... and he could also stick it right up trumps fat ass.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, and I think that lawyer from Ron's last candidacy is still working on securing the win for Ron.

Totally different dynamics this time. The establishment was solidly behind McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012. Now the establishment candidates have either dropped out or should because of how badly they are doing. Now the leading two candidates are people they don't like. Rubio keeps saying he can unite the party but he can't because no Trump or Cruz supporter would ever vote for him. And Kasich? LOL. Romney campaigning for him is just laughable.

So, here are the facts.

1) Everybody hates Trump besides his current 30 to 40% of voters.
2) Everybody hates Cruz besides his current 20 to 30% of voters.
3) Everybody hates Rubio besides his current 10 to 20% of voters.
4) Kasich? Who the hell is Kasich? Most see him as a weaker Rubio.
5) Rand Paul is the candidate that most Republicans like at least on some level even if he wasn't their choice for president.
6) Rand Paul is able to get along with the establishment.
7) Nobody else the establishment might pick would have a prayer of winning.

Those are the indisputable, undeniable facts. That leaves the RNC with four choices.

1) Just let things continue as they are and get behind the candidate with the most delegates regardless of whether or not he gets enough to win outright. That will be Trump.

2) Swallow their pride and hatred for Cruz who called their dear leader Mitch McConnell a "liar" on the senate floor and maneuver the nomination to him. Some Trumpettes will get on board. Many won't. Alex Jones will go apeshit with CFR/Goldman Sachs conspiracy theories and Michael Savage may very well follow suit.

3) Maneuver the nomination to Marco "Amnesty" Rubio who really isn't any worse than Donald "super expensive Amnesty" Trump. No Trumpettes will get on board. Alex Jones, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh will go apeshit over that move. Same with going for Kasich. Same with going with any other obvious establishment nominee.

4) Get someone like Rand Paul. It will be much more difficult for the above mentioned talk radio personalities to go apeshit over that. Rand Paul can bridge the gap between establishment and non establishment.

Choice 4 is the obvious best choice for the GOP which is probably why they won't do it. But this has nothing to do with "lawyers" at all. It's all politics and strategy and whether or not people in power are willing to work for their own best interests. Donald Trump will destroy the GOP one way or the other if choice 4 isn't enacted. If the GOP goes with choice 1, either Donald Trump loses to Hillary (very possible) or wins and follows up on some of his actual promises like a total assault weapons ban and deporting 11 million then bringing most of the back "rapidly", or he actually turns out to be a good president because he doesn't actually do anything he said he would do. But that would make his supporters ultimately feel betrayed. (Well....they might be okay with him not doing the assault weapons ban.)

Choices 2 and 3 will badly split the party as many Trumpettes will feel betrayed by the party.

Trumpets may feel betrayed by choice 4, but likely less so.

 

[jmdrake]

Well the RNC will do everything it can to open the field to challenge the Donald. I think they will make this rule change. Rand won't be the Nom, but a floor speech could set the stage for future runs, maybe? He could present his ideas and do some 'branding' with a national audience... and he could also stick it right up trumps fat ass.

Well if we take a defeatist attitude that most want to take and continue to waste our time trumphumping or talking about how Trump is worse the Cruz or Cruz is worse than Trump then most certainly Rand won't be the nominee. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Or we could take all of this negative energy and use it to try to convince others outside of this movement that only Rand Paul can save thee GOP. And I can say that with conviction....because it's true. Rubio cannot unite the party despite all of his claims to the contrary. Ted "bugger eater" Cruz has no chance either. And Donald Trump? He's the problem that needs to be dealt with in the first place.

 

[jllundqu]

Totally different dynamics this time. The establishment was solidly behind McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012. Now the establishment candidates have either dropped out or should because of how badly they are doing. Now the leading two candidates are people they don't like. Rubio keeps saying he can unite the party but he can't because no Trump or Cruz supporter would ever vote for him. And Kasich? LOL. Romney campaigning for him is just laughable.

So, here are the facts.

1) Everybody hates Trump besides his current 30 to 40% of voters.
2) Everybody hates Cruz besides his current 20 to 30% of voters.
3) Everybody hates Rubio besides his current 10 to 20% of voters.
4) Kasich? Who the hell is Kasich? Most see him as a weaker Rubio.
5) Rand Paul is the candidate that most Republicans like at least on some level even if he wasn't their choice for president.
6) Rand Paul is able to get along with the establishment.
7) Nobody else the establishment might pick would have a prayer of winning.

Those are the indisputable, undeniable facts. That leaves the RNC with four choices.

1) Just let things continue as they are and get behind the candidate with the most delegates regardless of whether or not he gets enough to win outright. That will be Trump.

2) Swallow their pride and hatred for Cruz who called their dear leader Mitch McConnell a "liar" on the senate floor and maneuver the nomination to him. Some Trumpettes will get on board. Many won't. Alex Jones will go ape$#@! with CFR/Goldman Sachs conspiracy theories and Michael Savage may very well follow suit.

3) Maneuver the nomination to Marco "Amnesty" Rubio who really isn't any worse than Donald "super expensive Amnesty" Trump. No Trumpettes will get on board. Alex Jones, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh will go ape$#@! over that move. Same with going for Kasich. Same with going with any other obvious establishment nominee.

4) Get someone like Rand Paul. It will be much more difficult for the above mentioned talk radio personalities to go ape$#@! over that. Rand Paul can bridge the gap between establishment and non establishment.

Choice 4 is the obvious best choice for the GOP which is probably why they won't do it. But this has nothing to do with "lawyers" at all. It's all politics and strategy and whether or not people in power are willing to work for their own best interests. Donald Trump will destroy the GOP one way or the other if choice 4 isn't enacted. If the GOP goes with choice 1, either Donald Trump loses to Hillary (very possible) or wins and follows up on some of his actual promises like a total assault weapons ban and deporting 11 million then bringing most of the back "rapidly", or he actually turns out to be a good president because he doesn't actually do anything he said he would do. But that would make his supporters ultimately feel betrayed. (Well....they might be okay with him not doing the assault weapons ban.)

Choices 2 and 3 will badly split the party as many Trumpettes will feel betrayed by the party.

Trumpets may feel betrayed by choice 4, but likely less so.

So what I'm reading from you is.... all hail President Trump because options 2-4 aint happening, barring some unforeseen earth-shattering event.

(Note: I'm not saying you support Trump at all, just that thinking Rand Paul could somehow come out of the convention with the nomination is silly)

 

[jllundqu]

Well if we take a defeatist attitude that most want to take and continue to waste our time trumphumping or talking about how Trump is worse the Cruz or Cruz is worse than Trump then most certainly Rand won't be the nominee. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Or we could take all of this negative energy and use it to try to convince others outside of this movement that only Rand Paul can save thee GOP. And I can say that with conviction....because it's true. Rubio cannot unite the party despite all of his claims to the contrary. Ted "bugger eater" Cruz has no chance either. And Donald Trump? He's the problem that needs to be dealt with in the first place.

I Stand with Rand... I will be voting for Rand in the Arizona Preference next Tuesday. But to suggest that the RNC will give the nomination to someone who didn't win, or even come CLOSE, in a single state is not 'defeatist' in the least... it's delusional