RIP: Charlie Kirk Assassinated at Event in Utah

TheCount · 2025-09-21T21:16:24-0400

acptulsa said:
Well, you have to admit that a huge chunk of the mainstream and "alternative" media is controlled by wealthy interests. And you have to admit that those same wealthy interests can afford to rent large numbers of politicians, and don't seem to mind doing it. And you have to admit that those same politicians aren't being paid right now not to exercise government's muscle.

So, yeah. Most media is down with government action. In other words, left.

In this case, "left" includes Donald Trump. But I can't help that.

Your description seems to imply that capitalism is "left" and leads to "left" action.

TheCount · 2025-09-21T21:23:06-0400

Brian4Liberty said:

What you're seeing in that poll is a measurement of whether or not the person being polled will believe the Trump administration based solely on faith.

It's natural that it would skew as shown.

unknown · 2025-09-21T22:10:31-0400

unknown · 2025-09-21T22:14:18-0400

Brian4Liberty · 2025-09-21T22:55:06-0400

Anti Federalist said:
All I see is a cloud of internet FUDDD.

Yeah, how many alternative conspiracy hypothesis do we have at this point?

- Baseball style signals next to Charlie.
- Palm gun in front row.
- Shot from another closer window.
- Unknown shots from different angles (including shot from behind).
- Shots from less powerful weapons.
- Exploding microphone attached to his shirt (ala Israeli designed exploding pagers).
- Secret trap door under his feet.
- What am I missing?

Reminds of me of so many other conspiracies, including more recently the Trump Russia impeachment. "Look, we have this list of 99 things that look suspicious. None of them have any proof or confirmation, but look, it's 99 different things!"

Brian4Liberty · 2025-09-21T22:58:07-0400

TheCount said:
What you're seeing in that poll is a measurement of whether or not the person being polled will believe the Trump administration based solely on faith.

It's natural that it would skew as shown.

More like the natural tendency to not blame their own side, facts be damned. BAMN!

TheCount · 2025-09-21T23:03:46-0400

Brian4Liberty said:
More like the natural tendency to not blame their own side, facts be damned. BAMN!

Which facts?

Brian4Liberty · 2025-09-21T23:15:50-0400

TheCount said:
Which facts?

Doesn't matter. Applies to any situation.

In this specific case, the closet things we have to "facts" are family members saying that the shooter and his roommate were leftist lovers. Then you have whatever levels of govt has said the same thing, whether the Utah Police, the FBI, or Trump himself (not that I have heard Trump get into any details, but he probably has at this point).

Just rejecting that the shooter was a trans inspired leftist "because Trump" is one motivator. Likewise, rejecting because they don't want to admit it was their (or your) side is another motivator. Neither are relying on facts.

TheCount · 2025-09-21T23:21:22-0400

Brian4Liberty said:
Doesn't matter. Applies to any situation.

Great.

Brian4Liberty said:
In this specific case, the closet things we have to "facts" are family members saying that the shooter and his roommate were leftist lovers. Then you have whatever levels of govt has said the same thing, whether the Utah Police, the FBI, or Trump himself (not that I have heard Trump get into any details, but he probably has at this point).

You mean the fact that government officials have said those "facts," first via leaks (that they retweeted) and then from a podium?

Are you always so accepting of such "facts?"

Maybe you just generally have a lot of faith in the FBI?

Brian4Liberty said:
Just rejecting that the shooter was a trans inspired leftist "because Trump" is one motivator. Likewise, rejecting because they don't want to admit it was their (or your) side is another motivator. Neither are relying on facts.

"Trans inspired" is an amazing phrase.

jmdrake · 2025-09-21T23:34:42-0400

This story gets stranger by the day.

Discord Says Tyler Robinson Didn't Use Platform in Charlie Kirk Murder Plan

Discord was not used by Tyler Robinson to either plan the murder of Charlie Kirk or to hide the evidence ... TMZ has learned.

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ClaytonB · 2025-09-22T02:11:13-0400

Anti Federalist said:

I will not state the name, but I'm 99% sure that "they" inserted one speaker into the lineup specifically to provide some ammo to the Trantifa psychopaths like Bonnell.

I watched the whole thing. The main theme that was repeated throughout, by practically every speaker was this: "Charlie loved Jesus. It was the single most important thing to him. It was the basis of how he thought and how he lived his life. If you don't believe in Jesus, you need to believe in him today, just like Charlie did." There were other themes, but this was the single biggest theme.

If you want to call that Nazi, that's your prerogative. But the problem is that you're picking a fight that you're guaranteed to lose. The purpose of calling people you don't like "Nazi" in 2025 is exactly the same purpose as shouting "Witch!" in 1725 at somebody you didn't like. The purpose is to viscerally arouse public sentiment against them, to foment the mob mentality, to form up a lynch mob, and to "burn the witch!"/"shoot the Nazi!"

Ultimately, we're coming to a showdown over brand -- is the Christian brand good and the anti-Christian brand bad, or vice-versa? Only one of them can be truly good, because they are in diametric opposition to one another on almost every single point. Scripture itself actually prophesies this showdown and its final outcome -- to me, this is one of the most remarkable prophecies in all of Scripture:

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Who, being in very nature God,
Did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

Rather, he made himself nothing
By taking the very nature of a servant,
Being made in human likeness.

And being found in appearance as a man,
Be humbled himself
By becoming obedient to death—
Even death on a cross!

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
And gave him the name that is above every name,

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
In heaven and on earth and under the earth,
And every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
To the glory of God the Father.

(Philippians 2:5-11)

The name of Steven Bonnell II is not the greatest. He will confess that Jesus is Lord. The name of Tyler Robinson is not the greatest. He will confess that Jesus is Lord. The name of Alexandria Cortez is not the greatest. She will confess that Jesus is Lord. Everyone, not only on earth but also in heaven, and even under the earth (the demonic realm), will bow and will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That means that even Satan will bow, and will confess that Jesus is Lord, before he is hurled into the lake of fire to burn forever. The only choice that each of us has is whether we will confess willingly, or unwillingly.

The final showdown is coming. The Left in America seems to think they can win the showdown over whose name is the greatest by -- in many cases quite literally -- worshiping the devil to receive demonic powers. Even the ones that aren't doing it explicitly are doing it pro forma. Jesus of Nazareth alone has paid the price to take up the greatest Name, which he has received from his Father, because his Name is in him (Exodus 23:21): obedience to his Father unto death, even death on a cross, the most brutal form of torture and execution in use at that time.

I know these kinds of remarks don't seem to everyone to be spiritual warfare. The time-window where that delusion can continue is quickly closing. These are, indeed, acts of spiritual warfare. Soon, the masks will be removed, and those who have been worshiping Satan and working for the total annihilation of all mankind, will be exposed and the true horrors they have been committing behind closed doors, exposed. "That's all just a conspiracy theory" has worked for a long time. It's a one-trick pony. And it's getting very, very old ...

unknown · 2025-09-22T02:48:26-0400

Assume for a minute that Izrael orchestrated Charlie's murder.

We know they attacked the USS Liberty.

And were responsible for the attack on the marine barracks in Beirut.

There is evidence suggesting that they killed JFK and also carried out 9/11.

Question is, what's the "incentive" for them to stop.

Where's the deterrent?

Since they've also hijacked our government, including the FBI, they're never held responsible.

Intrepid · 2025-09-22T03:51:41-0400

unknown said:
Assume for a minute that Izrael orchestrated Charlie's murder.

We know they attacked the USS Liberty.

And were responsible for the attack on the marine barracks in Beirut.

There is evidence suggesting that they killed JFK and also carried out 9/11.

Question is, what's the "incentive" for them to stop.

Where's the deterrent?

Since they've also hijacked our government, including the FBI, they're never held responsible.

.
The Israelites are the chosen. This is all part of the deal.
.

acptulsa · 2025-09-22T07:15:43-0400

TheCount said:
Your description seems to imply that capitalism is "left" and leads to "left" action.

Only if the only form of capitalism you care to look at is the free market for buying politicians.

acptulsa · 2025-09-22T07:20:07-0400

Brian4Liberty said:
Reminds of me of so many other conspiracies, including more recently the Trump Russia impeachment. "Look, we have this list of 99 things that look suspicious. None of them have any proof or confirmation, but look, it's 99 different things!"

SOP

So what do we do? Get frustrated, give up, and refuse to listen to anything but the Official Narrative, which is the stupidest and most unlikely of all? In other words, let the world's biggest sociopaths get away with murder because they threw FUD at us and insulted our intelligence? Or do we sort this out?

Anti Federalist · 2025-09-22T07:56:18-0400

Brian4Liberty said:
Yeah, how many alternative conspiracy hypothesis do we have at this point?

- Baseball style signals next to Charlie.
- Palm gun in front row.
- Shot from another closer window.
- Unknown shots from different angles (including shot from behind).
- Shots from less powerful weapons.
- Exploding microphone attached to his shirt (ala Israeli designed exploding pagers).
- Secret trap door under his feet.
- What am I missing?

Reminds of me of so many other conspiracies, including more recently the Trump Russia impeachment. "Look, we have this list of 99 things that look suspicious. None of them have any proof or confirmation, but look, it's 99 different things!"

Shot by security agent with a cel phone gun.

Although item 4 covers that I suppose.

I'm sure there are more.

And with every new angle and every new layer, it becomes less and less likely that anything will happen or anybody will be held accountable.

As usual.

GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged · 2025-09-22T08:44:06-0400

If violence is never the answer, why was Hitler and so many others killed? If violence was never the answer, Trump would not be bragging about blowing up foreign ships in international waters.

Anti Federalist · 2025-09-22T08:58:23-0400

Anti Federalist · 2025-09-22T09:00:03-0400

GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged said:
If violence is never the answer, why was Hitler and so many others killed? If violence was never the answer, Trump would not be bragging about blowing up foreign ships in international waters.

That's just an asinine platitude, designed to mentally disarm you.

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