Riots in London

[UWDude]

You are a complete tool. Take some more classes from your Marxist professors at UW, and keep believing that you came up with the inane thoughts that inhabit your empty head.

YEah, BTW, sock puppet, my "marxist" professors at the UW were hardly any kind of radical. the y loved the system as much as any otehr person living well in America does, and they believed in the whole voting/democrat/republican/USA best country whole wide world BS

 

[UWDude]

Spain and Greece have been having massive political, peaceful, protests for months, every day now. The ONLY time you heard about Greece was when it got a little violent.

 

[silverhandorder]

Here. I'll teach you how to use google:

1. go to www.google.com

2. type "attacking police and government buildings london riots" in the search bar

3. browse

Why should I do that? I am not the one making un-backed claims.

I want to see pictures and quotes of government and police buildings being attacked. It would also be nice to see comparison of how much government is being attacked vs private property.

I suspect all the comparison will show is that the thugs realized police is inadequate and are attacking peaceful society for some quick loot.

 

[Eleventh Star]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXFuf5Cjy-A


Anyone reminded of the Korean merchants who banded together during the LA riots? Strong communities trump any kind of policing when riots like these happen.

 

[LibForestPaul]

And like i pointed out you deal with those corrupt cops on an indivdual bases. There are thousands of Cops in England, what you dont do is demonize them all for the actions of a 100 or 200 etc. The cops who shot this guy are prob not even on the scene anymore. But cops who had nothing to do with the shooting were injured on the first day of riots.

Just because someone wears a uniform does not make them corrupt.

actually it does, if what they are part of is corrupt.

A brownshirt is a brownshirt is a brownshirt. If you do not want to be morally defunct, don't wear a brownshirt.

 

[moderate libertarian]

This has NOTHING to do with the economy.

This is a race riot.

UK news report on Drudge says the same thing.



These riots were about race. Why ignore the fact?

By Katharine Birbalsingh
August 7th, 2011

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/k...se-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/

 

[wannaberocker]

actually it does, if what they are part of is corrupt.

A brownshirt is a brownshirt is a brownshirt. If you do not want to be morally defunct, don't wear a brownshirt.

Thats just crazy. Im glad there are cops around, im glad they even came out once and opened my car door for me when i locked my keys in my car. Now i know its a hard concept for some people to understand, but not everyone becomes a cop is out to get you.

 

[UWDude]

Thats just crazy. Im glad there are cops around, im glad they even came out once and opened my car door for me when i locked my keys in my car. Now i know its a hard concept for some people to understand, but not everyone becomes a cop is out to get you.

That's probably because you didn't have any weed in your car. I had a friend once have his car break down, walking home with his girl, cop offered him a ride, he said sure... oops, forgot he had a small pipe in his jacket pocket. $425 fine, $2000 rehab/counseling bill.

 

[wannaberocker]

That's probably because you didn't have any weed in your car. I had a friend once have his car break down, walking home with his girl, cop offered him a ride, he said sure... oops, forgot he had a small pipe in his jacket pocket. $425 fine, $2000 rehab/counseling bill.

Yeah, no im not a pothead.

 

[affa]

That's what kills me about the whole thing. The guy shot and hit a cop (who survived) and they blew him away. Happens all the time here. But the story gets twisted around like this guy is was prancing down the street singing show tunes and some angry cops decided to dust him, and all of London erupts. Now the Anarchists are jumping in on the fun too once they saw it get started.

I'll do my duty and volunteer to wear the eggs and tomatoes, but I hope the cops, and maybe some community street teams, take to the streets and sort out these rioters. They're wantonly destroying private property, attacking innocent bystanders and destroying the community and society. You can't let this disorder go unchecked or it's right back to the State of Nature.

Screw these rioters destroying property and hurting people for no reason. I don't care if they're poor or minorities or Anarchists living off daddy's credit card while going to some half-baked liberal arts college brooding about Marxism, aggression against people and property is NOT okay no matter what their perceived grievances are. Get some street teams out there and clear them out of the neighborhood.

Here's my issue -- what do you think revolt would look like, especially given how our media works?

You wouldn't hear about political reasons, you'd hear about the idiot on the street stealing a tv.
You wouldn't hear about the non-violent protesters, you'd see endless replays of some building burning.
You wouldn't hear calls to action, you'd hear talking heads and 'people on the street' calling the protesters 'looters' and 'thugs'.

Not to mention, even if every single person involved was non-violent and willful, you'd only need a single agent provocateur to start something up.

And that's not even getting into police response to large groups of people -- what happens when non-violent people start getting beaten and pepper sprayed? You get video of 'protesters' looking crazy. There is a ton of video on youtube which shows 'news coverage' of events next to the same exact event from a civilian camera -- showing how absolutely incorrect the media narrative is.

My point, really, is that when people revolt, we will be told it is looting and pillaging. Every time. No matter the reason. (Unless, of course, we dislike the gov't of some other country, in which case it's okay to call it revolt).

 

[silverhandorder]

That would be very disorganized revolt and will not go anywhere. For revolt to be successful either majority has to passively support and in that case it will be relatively peaceful or the minority would have to be insurgents and in that case there would be counter information being distributed.

However in today's age it is easy to tell a riot for what it is. People that are affected go on twitter and post videos and pictures and tell their stories. While the rioters obviously do not. So one can see wanton destruction of property by criminals without having media tell it is. While propaganda exists for those informed it is easy to spot the difference between the two.

 

[affa]

Wrong, you blame the politicians who make the laws... And the media workers who prop them up... AND the police who enforce them... AND the peopel who work for such politicians.... AND the people who vote for the politicians... AND all the rest of the people who do nothing but sit idly by and cluck their tongues then pat themselves on the back for being such rule following little piglets at the teets of their queen.

Your Sir are off your rocker.

While I certainly don't agree with everything UWDude has written in this thread, his statement here is spot on. Why wouldn't you blame everyone who created the problem? You can't just blame the politicians -- they were elected. Therefore, you need to blame the people that voted for them. And if there is an unjust law, then yes, the police are to blame for enforcing it.

People can't hide behind their jobs. We need to be responsible. We need to be proactive.

 

[UWDude]

Why should I do that? I am not the one making un-backed claims.

I have just happened to read dozens of articles on the subject, like I do on most things. And if you had perhaps read even a few articles, you surely would have come across soem of the events I am referring to.

But fine, here you go:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14460554
*West Midlands Police said a police station in Holyhead Road in Handsworth, Birmingham, was set alight
*A Nottinghamshire police station was attacked in the St Ann's area and 200 tyres were set alight in the street
*Canning Circus police station in central Nottingham was firebombed by a male gang on Tuesday evening

There are many more direct attacks on police officers and other buildings without looting, but surely you can use Google now. I am not going to list every single attack for you.

 

[pcosmar]

Riots, and rioting are pointless.
But i can understand to an extent,, even though I disagree with them entirely.
It is a mass psychosis. Mob mentality.
It is a release of built up anger. and even IF it is righteous anger it is mostly misdirected and hence,,, pointless.

If it is truly anger directed at corrupt government then Revolution is the correct outlet, and it should be directed at the government with the intend to remove and replace them.
This is not. And will have not effect beyond destruction and worsening their conditions.
It will however release the anger and frustration for a while making real Revolution impossible.

An exercise in futility.
Except for the rulers. It will increase their grip and control.

 

[silverhandorder]

There are degrees of culpability. A person egging someone on to punch you is not as bad as the person punching you. there is also a matter of being practical. I tend to agree with him that the police are bad. Yet I am not going to go and be a martyr.

 

[silverhandorder]

I have just happened to read dozens of articles on the subject, like I do on most things. And if you had perhaps read even a few articles, you surely would have come across soem of the events I am referring to.

But fine, here you go:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14460554
*West Midlands Police said a police station in Holyhead Road in Handsworth, Birmingham, was set alight
*A Nottinghamshire police station was attacked in the St Ann's area and 200 tyres were set alight in the street
*Canning Circus police station in central Nottingham was firebombed by a male gang on Tuesday evening

There are many more direct attacks on police officers and other buildings without looting, but surely you can use Google now. I am not going to list every single attack for you.

You are being a bit disingenuous the same article mentions roving gangs of 150-200 youth attacking shops. People want a swift and just response to that. I don't see people here crying about a police station.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I wholeheartedly oppose violent riots like this, but I do recognize that if governments actually took police brutality seriously, then nightmares like this would be far less likely to occur. Frederick Douglass said, "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." Looks like the Britons are tired of quietly submitting.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That would be very disorganized revolt and will not go anywhere. For revolt to be successful either majority has to passively support and in that case it will be relatively peaceful or the minority would have to be insurgents and in that case there would be counter information being distributed.

However in today's age it is easy to tell a riot for what it is. People that are affected go on twitter and post videos and pictures and tell their stories. While the rioters obviously do not. So one can see wanton destruction of property by criminals without having media tell it is. While propaganda exists for those informed it is easy to spot the difference between the two.

To be fair, a majority did not even passively support the American Revolution. You had about 3% who actively supported the Revolution, right around 30% who passively supported it, 35% who frankly didn't care either way, 30% who passively opposed it, and 2% who actively opposed it.

Point being, only 5% of the colonists cared enough to actually do anything, and the plurality didn't care either way. There was no majority,really, in any camp.

 

[UWDude]

Yeah, no im not a pothead.

Goody for you. I also see you are indeed clucking your tongue and telling yourself what a good person you are.

 

[KingRobbStark]

One of these days the british will riot for freedom. One of these days...but until then those hobos on the street begging for hand outs can go fuck off.