Riots in London

[UWDude]

That's what kills me about the whole thing. The guy shot and hit a cop (who survived) and they blew him away. Happens all the time here. But the story gets twisted around like this guy is was prancing down the street singing show tunes and some angry cops decided to dust him, and all of London erupts. Now the Anarchists are jumping in on the fun too once they saw it get started.

I'll do my duty and volunteer to wear the eggs and tomatoes, but I hope the cops, and maybe some community street teams, take to the streets and sort out these rioters. They're wantonly destroying private property, attacking innocent bystanders and destroying the community and society. You can't let this disorder go unchecked or it's right back to the State of Nature.

Screw these rioters destroying property and hurting people for no reason. I don't care if they're poor or minorities or Anarchists living off daddy's credit card while going to some half-baked liberal arts college brooding about Marxism, aggression against people and property is NOT okay no matter what their perceived grievances are. Get some street teams out there and clear them out of the neighborhood.

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Now it is shown the police have no proof of any shoot out, and the bullet lodged in a police radio they claimed was his, is actually one of their own. But there has been tons of evidenced presented lately that the police are CORRUPT AS HELL.

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I'm glad to see London being burnt and looted. Serves them right for burning and looting Libya.

 

[Acala]

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Now it is shown the police have no proof of any shoot out, and the bullet lodged in a police radio they claimed was his, is actually one of their own.

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I'm glad to see London being burnt and looted. Serves them right for burning and looting Libya.

If they were burning police stations and other government buildings, I would agree with you. But they are attacking the property of individual people who probably had nothing to do with shooting the fellow or bombing Lybia.

 

[UWDude]

It doesn't have to be. The thugs are just being thugs. It still serves Britain right. Britain is bombing people in Libya that would have never dreamt of slaughtering their fellow Libyans. I think it has become pretty obvious, that peaceful protest gets you NOTHING. When students were protesting the implementation of tuition by lawmakers who got free educations, the lawmakers said the exact same things: called them thugs, and kids who have nothing better to do, and lawless miscreants.

How many people have been charged for the police hacking scandal yet? How many arrests have been made over the large web of corruption that was uncovered? Will the rioters get off like Murdoch did, by putting on a suit and tie and making an apology in some show room court case? I doubt it. It is obvious to ANYONE that there are two sets of rulebooks in Britain. One for the police and the wealthy, and one for everybody else.

What a surprise, a country run by looting thugs is now being looted by thugs.

 

[UWDude]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc

Mark Duggan did not shoot at police, says IPCC
IPCC releases initial findings of ballistics tests in police shooting of Mark Duggan, whose death sparked London riots

Wait, what, the Brit police lying? NO, can't be! Can we hack their phones and see what other bull they are up to? Oh, I guess only police are allowed to do that. Hey, can we set up cameras on every street corner, and prosecute them for jaywalking? No, that's only for the lowly serfs.

 

[wannaberocker]

I sometimes find it disturbing how much hatred of the police many people on this forum show. They lump all cops world wide into this box of thugs. It seems like in the eyes of some people the cops can never do right. It is simply amazing to me how people who are generally always talking about not generalizing groups, often do just that when it comes to Cops.
Sure there are dirty cops around. You deal with them on an indivdual bases. What you dont do is cheer on riots that damage private property, innocent bystanders, destroy peoples businesses etc.

 

[UWDude]

I sometimes find it disturbing how much hatred of the police many people on this forum show. They lump all cops world wide into this box of thugs. It seems like in the eyes of some people the cops can never do right. It is simply amazing to me how people who are generally always talking about not generalizing groups, often do just that when it comes to Cops.
Sure there are dirty cops around. You deal with them on an individual bases. What you don't do is cheer on riots that damage private property, innocent bystanders, destroy peoples businesses etc.

Have you been paying attention to the scandals coming out, regarding the phone hacking scandal, and how utterly corrupt the London police are? Did you just miss that the police investigation commission has already concluded that the police shot a man, then lied and tried to demonize his corpse, by saying he shot at them, calling everyone around liars who said that wasn't the case? Did you miss that? Within minutes of the man's death, people were calling the dead man a useless thug, gansgter, and praising their police for clearing the streets of one more useless thug. And I loooove how Ruperts media put a picture on their papers of the victim holding his two fingers up in what could be some kind of gun like gesture. Nice propaganda move, phone-hackers-cop-owners-R-us.

Sure there are dirty cops around. You deal with them on an indivdual bases. What you dont do is cheer on riots that damage private property, innocent bystanders, destroy peoples businesses etc.

No, it is more than just a couple of dirty cops, it is a dirty police department, a dirty government that works hand in hand with a brainwashing machine so their slaves will be docile who go along with whatever their masters tell them.

And then when the powerless erupt in violence, the powerful act shocked. There is nothing shocking about this. It is simply a peasant riot. Peasant riots happen all the time, and become more frequent the more tyrannical governments become. And history has shown they are VERY effective in getting the message through, because all the other channels of lawful dispute become owned by the government. There is no recourse.

 

[wannaberocker]

Have you been paying attention to the scandals coming out, regarding the phone hacking scandal, and how utterly corrupt the London police are? Did you just miss that the police investigation commission has already concluded that the police shot a man, then lied and tried to demonize his corpse, by saying he shot at them, calling everyone around liars who said that wasn't the case? Did you miss that?

And like i pointed out you deal with those corrupt cops on an indivdual bases. There are thousands of Cops in England, what you dont do is demonize them all for the actions of a 100 or 200 etc. The cops who shot this guy are prob not even on the scene anymore. But cops who had nothing to do with the shooting were injured on the first day of riots.

Just because someone wears a uniform does not make them corrupt.

 

[silverhandorder]

Look these people whether right or wrong about being mad about the shooting are committing crimes now. They are breaking property and stealing. Police response should be harsh enough to stop this.

 

[Cowlesy]

Drudge reports that American baseball bats are a top-seller in the UK right now. Hopefully it's people ready to protect their neighborhoods.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/ref=zg_bsms_tab

 

[UWDude]

And like i pointed out you deal with those corrupt cops on an indivdual bases. There are thousands of Cops in England, what you dont do is demonize them all for the actions of a 100 or 200 etc. The cops who shot this guy are prob not even on the scene anymore. But cops who had nothing to do with the shooting were injured on the first day of riots.

Just because someone wears a uniform does not make them corrupt.

So the answer is, no, no you have not been payuing attention to the phone hacking scandal, and how much corruption it exposed at all levels of the police department.

And let me tell you something else:

ALL POLICE ARE PART OF THE CORRUPT SYSTEM. They bust people for weed, they hand out fines non-chalantly that can break poor people's finances, while using flippant phrases like "you'll need to talk to your representative about that" and act like it is no big deal. They call their tow company buddies to rob your car and throw it in an impound lot.

I bet every single kid out their smashing things has had at least a couple encounters with the police, where the police treated them like children, or took from them, or humiliated them, or gave them a fine for some petty bull. Stopped them on the way to their friends house and patted them down for drug paraphernalia. All those little things add up. You treat people like kids, criminals, and rebels, don't be surprised when they act like kids, criminals, and rebels.

And I know you are going to try to argue, "well they shoudn't have been breaking the laws" That means they should not have been living, because everything is illegal.

I got my car impounded for being parked in front of my own damn house for more than 72 hours. I didn't even know because I rarely use my car, and walk down a hill to catch the bus. 5 days later, I go up the hill, my car is gone. That cost me $430 in impound fees and fines... ...for being parked in front of my own house.

So if I see a riot in my city, guess what? I'm putting a hood on and smashing things. Because I know damn well nobody in city hall gives a flying fuck. They need their $80,000 a year salaries too much to be bothered by the plight of some knave.

 

[Cowlesy]

So the answer is, no, no you have not been payuing attention to the phone hacking scandal, and how much corruption it exposed at all levels of the police department.

And let me tell you something else:

ALL POLICE ARE PART OF THE CORRUPT SYSTEM. They bust people for weed, they hand out fines non-chalantly that can break poor people's finances, while using flippant phrases like "you'll need to talk to your representative about that" and act like it is no big deal. They call their tow company buddies to rob your car and throw it in an impound lot.

I bet every single kid out their smashing things has had at least a couple encounters with the police, where the police treated them like children, or took from them, or humiliated them, or gave them a fine for some petty bull. All those little things add up. And I know you are going to try to argue, "well they shoudn't have been breaking the laws" That means they should not have been living, because everything is illegal.

I got my car impounded for being parked in front of my own damn house for more than 72 hours. I didn't even know because I rarely use my car, and walk down a hill to catch the bus. 5 days later, I go up the hill, my car is gone. That cost me $430 in impound fees and fines... ...for being parked in front of my own house.

blahblahblah. I hope to restore order to these neighborhoods the people who live their split some wigs with their new baseball bats from amazon.com, and especially of the kids beating innocent bystanders or looting/destroying random shops.

 

[wannaberocker]

So the answer is, no, no you have not been payuing attention to the phone hacking scandal, and how much corruption it exposed at all levels of the police department.

And let me tell you something else:

ALL POLICE ARE PART OF THE CORRUPT SYSTEM. They bust people for weed, they hand out fines non-chalantly that can break poor people's finances, while using flippant phrases like "you'll need to talk to your representative about that" and act like it is no big deal. They call their tow company buddies to rob your car and throw it in an impound lot.

I bet every single kid out their smashing things has had at least a couple encounters with the police, where the police treated them like children, or took from them, or humiliated them, or gave them a fine for some petty bull. All those little things add up. And I know you are going to try to argue, "well they shoudn't have been breaking the laws" That means they should not have been living, because everything is illegal.

I got my car impounded for being parked in front of my own damn house for more than 72 hours. I didn't even know because I rarely use my car, and walk down a hill to catch the bus. 5 days later, I go up the hill, my car is gone. That cost me $430 in impound fees and fines... ...for being parked in front of my own house.

So if I see a riot in my city, guess what? I'm putting a hood on and smashing things. Because I know damn well nobody in city hall gives a flying fuck. They need their $80,000 a year salaries too much to be bothered by the plight of some knave.

Alll your arguments are kinda out there. The police do not make laws, the police are there to enforce laws. THe weed laws are not laws that any individual cop made up. If i become a cop now, do you think ill have any say in changing laws that i dont like? No. I would have to do my job and enforce the laws that the governing body passes.
If you should blame anyone you should blame the politicians who pass such laws.
You also generalize when it comes to the thugs who are rioting. Making them victims of some unknown crime by cops against them.
Again all your argument is based on generalizations and it dosnt work.

 

[Cowlesy]

So if I see a riot in my city, guess what? I'm putting a hood on and smashing things. Because I know damn well nobody in city hall gives a flying fuck. They need their $80,000 a year salaries too much to be bothered by the plight of some knave.

Yeah you do that tough guy, and burn some buildings and some innocent people alive. Yeah, you show the system who's in charge!

 

[UWDude]

blahblahblah. I hope to restore order to these neighborhoods the people who live their split some wigs with their new baseball bats from amazon.com, and especially of the kids beating innocent bystanders or looting/destroying random shops.

Then you and me want the same thing, open warfare on the streets of London. Because then next, it would be time for the British empire to slide further into demise. Maybe it can start killing its own people, instead of killing people all over the world.

 

[UWDude]

Yeah you do that tough guy, and burn some buildings and some innocent people alive. Yeah, you show the system who's in charge!

Nobody was burned alive, but somebody was shot, and then demonized after he was dead, and then they tried to get away with it, by lying and saying he shot at them. Of course, cops do this kind of stuff every day, brutalize someone, blame their roid rage on the victim, and then abuse their power to make themselves look like some kind of hero.

And you, you oh mighty judge of that which is righteous, ate the cops' lies up like a pig at the trough. You weer sure their story was true. You didn't even stop and ask if maybe the cops were lying to save their own skin, nope, you just hopped on their little wagon of lies and yelled yee-haw, one more dead thug. That shows you still don't understand how and why corruption exists.

 

[Cowlesy]

Then you and me want the same thing, open warfare on the streets of London. Because then next, it would be time for the British empire to slide further into demise. Maybe it can start killing its own people, instead of killing people all over the world.

I don't want open warfare, I want people to have spines and protect their communities and property. I want your little anarcho-whatever friends to crawl back into their brooding marxist holes from which they emerged.

 

[UWDude]

That's what kills me about the whole thing. The guy shot and hit a cop (who survived) and they blew him away.

Isn't this you? Isn't this you jumping to the defense of a bunch of liars behind badges? And if these riots had not happened, what would you be thinking now, about the extinguished life of this young man? You wouldn't be giving it any thought at all, and even if you did, you would just assure yourself he deserved it and move on.

In fact, I bet, right now, right now, in your desire to be right, and the big winner in the internet flame warz, even though I gave a link which shows a commission has already concluded the police lied about the shoot out... right now, YOU ARE STILL SURE the victim was just a lowlife who probably deserved to be killed.

I don't want open warfare, I want people to have spines and protect their communities and property.

Protect their communities and property? How else do you fight a government that kills your people and then calls them useless thugs? You can't go to the government, because the government doesn't care, it will protect itself.

 

[UWDude]

If you should blame anyone you should blame the politicians who pass such laws.

Wrong, you blame the politicians who make the laws... And the media workers who prop them up... AND the police who enforce them... AND the peopel who work for such politicians.... AND the people who vote for the politicians... AND all the rest of the people who do nothing but sit idly by and cluck their tongues then pat themselves on the back for being such rule following little piglets at the teets of their queen.

 

[Cowlesy]

Protect their communities and property? How else do you fight a government that kills your people and then calls them useless thugs? You can't go to the government, because the government doesn't care, it will protect itself.

If your solution to crappy government where you have a say in what happens is violence, then you don't belong here. That is not what this forum advocates and we don't condone it. Beating people and destroying private property of people who have not aggressed you is not self-defense, it's unchecked aggression and is anti-thetical to what we're about.

 

[UWDude]

If your solution to crappy government where you have a say in what happens is violence, then you don't belong here. That is not what this forum advocates and we don't condone it. Beating people and destroying private property of people who have not aggressed you is not self-defense, it's unchecked aggression and is anti-thetical to what we're about.

Oh wait, but you were the one advocating people go out in the streets with baseball bats and crack some skulls.

And, um, when are you going to apologize for calling the victim that all this started over an attempted cop-murderer?

Is Ron Paul forums all about taking the police at their word, before there is even any kind of investigation? What made you so sure the police were telling the truth? What made you the great all-seeing witness that knew he wasn't just minding his own business, riding in a taxi-cab? You were sure from the beginning he deserved to DIE. Yes, be murdered, you were justifying it from the outset. So don't talk to me about these forums not advocating violence, it was you who first started with the lusty vindication of murder of a young man.