Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

[Brett85]

Do you deny that most do? You made some generalizations, and sometimes that's reasonable. I completely allow and recognize that most Christians here do not support such things.

Most Christians I know aren't rabid warmongers. I live in a very socially conservative area, but I don't see much support for more intervention overseas or starting more wars against additional countries.

 

[amy31416]

Prohibiting the state from recognizing same-sex marriages does not equate to dictating who they should love. No one is seriously talking about banning homosexual relationships. Unless you're talking about polygamy.

I'm not for government recognizing any marriage, but when you makes these types of hyperbolic statements it weakens your argument.

I've repeatedly demonstrated on these forums how the pro-life position is the scientific one.

There are plenty of people seriously talking about banning homosexual marriage, even here--personally, I don't care. I agree with you on excluding the gov't from being involved at all--even in polygamy.

I made no hyperbolic statements.

And I agree that the pro-life position is scientifically sound.

 

[amy31416]

Most Christians I know aren't rabid warmongers. I live in a very socially conservative area, but I don't see much support for more intervention overseas or starting more wars against additional countries.

Perhaps it's just a geographical difference--the Christians here are rabid warmongers, and I'm pretty disgusted by it on a lot of levels.

 

[seyferjm]

Sadly I see a lot of support for the wars in the Middle East at my church. The "it's best for Israel" complex is alive and well. If more Christians read Laurence Vance instead of John Hagee-esque crap things would be much better.

 

[James Madison]

The most support in this country comes from Christian "conservatives." Jews and atheists are in the minority with these issues, and you know that's true.

Jews and atheists make up - at the most - 10% of the population. Of course most of the support comes from a demographic comprising 80% of Americans.

I've met upwards of 200+ atheists, and I can count the number that weren't complete authoritarians on one hand. Most support legalizing pot, but then follow it up by saying it should be taxed. Oh, and we might as well ban cigs from public property and trans fat, too!

Regardless, all those things I listed do force other people to violate their conscience, so stop trying to change the topic.

You were assigning blame to Christians when other demographics are equally guilty of supporting statist legislation.

 

[amy31416]

Jews and atheists make up - at the most - 10% of the population. Of course most of the support comes from a demographic comprising 80% of Americans.

I've met upwards of 200+ atheists, and I can count the number that weren't complete authoritarians on one hand. Most support legalizing pot, but then follow it up by saying it should be taxed. Oh, and we might as well ban cigs from public property and trans fat, too!




You were assigning blame to Christians when other demographics are equally guilty of supporting statist legislation.

I was stating that Christians are, just as many others, to blame when it comes to statist legislation. They are full participants, just like the other demographics listed.

I don't support taxes on cigarettes, pot or trans-fat, but I also don't categorize myself as an atheist. I won't support any of these groups unless they support individual freedom, regardless of religion, whether I agree with a particular philosophy or whatever. I'm tired of all of these "groups" who want to dictate anything.

 

[amy31416]

Jews and atheists make up - at the most - 10% of the population. Of course most of the support comes from a demographic comprising 80% of Americans.

I've met upwards of 200+ atheists, and I can count the number that weren't complete authoritarians on one hand. Most support legalizing pot, but then follow it up by saying it should be taxed. Oh, and we might as well ban cigs from public property and trans fat, too!




You were assigning blame to Christians when other demographics are equally guilty of supporting statist legislation.

I was stating that Christians are, just as many others, to blame when it comes to statist legislation. They are full participants, just like the other demographics listed.

I don't support taxes on cigarettes, pot or trans-fat, but I also don't categorize myself as an atheist. I won't support any of these groups unless they support individual freedom, regardless of religion, whether I agree with a particular philosophy or whatever. I'm tired of all of these "groups" who want to dictate anything.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

So, in this game we are playing, whose closer to the destination? Roll the dice, move ahead 3 spaces. Opps, slide back.

I've met a lot of perverts in my lifetime, tried to get me to let them give me a blowjob, nope I don't want one from a man, best you'll ever have, nope I'm married and satisfied with women. Also know a dude that like dudes that never hit on me.

I'm a hat, your a shoe, the other guys a boat, we move around the board but the bank wins.

 

[otherone]

I've met a lot of perverts in my lifetime, tried to get me to let them give me a blowjob, nope I don't want one from a man, best you'll ever have

might want to open a window if you're gonna use spray paint inside.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

might want to open a window if you're gonna use spray paint inside.

That went over my head, you'lll have to be more explicit, I guess.

 

[UMULAS]

Really Rick Santorum people....REAAAAAAAAAALY!

I mean, you think that education makes people more liberal, what is this... I don't even...

There are many factors (psychosociobio) that can influence a person on their decisions.

Also, what does Christianity have anything to do with this? Read you bible.

Talking about the word and evangelizing (voluntarily) = Good

Forcing people to have your religious ideals =/= Good

If anyone wants to argue about it, by all means, I founded two bible clubs and read the bible every day.

 

[BAllen]

Funny how they dance all around the target, but miss. Those things he describes is marxist demoralization. Subversion. I can't believe none of these politicians know that. They never say what it is. Just the symptoms.

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

I think it's just about equal, and Christian conservatives do support passing laws that force people to violate their conscience with regularity. Laws that force people to support Israel's gov't, for instance. Laws that force people to financially support killing foreigners, while forbidding support of those who they disapprove of (lest they be labeled a terrorist.) Laws that force people to fund bigger police forces to kill or violate someone who's using a drug that they do not approve of.

You need more?

Nope. Nothing more needed. You just said it all.

 

[COpatriot]

Keep talking Rick. Every time you open your mouth you present a strong case for the GOP avoiding you like the plague if they ever want to win a general election again.

As for the pro-war Christian thing, it's true. Very true. I live in Colorado Springs which is the de facto evangelical capital of the west and perhaps the USA. It's home to Focus on the Family, a couple megachurches including Ted Haggard's, and hundreds of others. There's a heavy military presence here too, but I don't blame this problem on them very much.

You should hear the callers on the local talk shows here. It really is shocking to hear an old women call in to a show and say things like "we're fighting over there to keep those bastards out of our country."

You should sit in on some of the church services I've sat through before. Imagine an entire service complete with "rah-rah Jesus" music and all, not on how to live your life like Jesus would or any of that crazy shit, but on Iran. That's right. A local church invited the rapture freak author Joel Rosenberg to speak to their congregation.....about Iran and how they want to destroy America and Israel and usher in the age of the Mahdi. And this isn't a small church either. I sat in the midst of thousands of people who just lapped this shit up.

You should see my Facebook feed. Enough said. I seldom log in to Facebook anymore and when I do I avoid political conversations like the plague, especially if I would be trying to reason with a rabid, pro-war zealot.

I know this problem is primarily created by Christian Zionut apocalyptic charlatans like Rosenberg, Hagee, and the Left Behind authors. It's just stunning to see people ignore what they claim to believe in.

There is a reason why Santorum carried this county by such a sizable margin.

 

[KrokHead]

Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

I'm sure Sanscrotum secretly looks at gay porn and has his goomars' babies aborted.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I blame Rick Santorum

 

[Agorism]

I'm sure Sanscrotum secretly looks at gay porn and has his goomars' babies aborted.

Was he in Larry Craig's fraternity\club?

Called The Family.

 

[jonhowe]

Everything you just rattled off has bipartisan support from Christians, Jews, and Atheists. Try again...

All of the one atheists in Congress, you mean?

 

[Confederate]

Really Rick Santorum people....REAAAAAAAAAALY!

I mean, you think that education makes people more liberal, what is this... I don't even...

Wait a second. Are you seriously calling what they teach in public schools and universities "education?" I believe the correct term is "indoctrination."

 

[Agorism]