Restore America Plan Just Released!

It doesn't actually reduce spending. It simply slows the increase. It manages to shrink the size of government while still increasing spending. I guess its better than what we have or will have from anyone else. You have to start somewhere.

It's kind of disappointing that the bold plan cooked up by the official campaign collects a projected three trillion dollars in revenue, the most in our nation's history.

The only way I'd support such a thing is if the Paul administration openly declared that it would not prosecute tax "evaders".
 
This plan also exposes those that falsely claim to be for limited government.
 
Did i not read that Paul would extend the bush tax cuts? are bush tax cuts not cuts to income tax?
 
This is a plan being proposed as part of the nomination process. This is not RP saying 'This is all I ever hope to do'. This is RP saying, "See I can govern".

How much he can get done depends largely on how much of congress gets turned over at the election.

Every dollar that is cut from the borrowed spending is a dollar cut from GDP also. This plan basically lays out a 12% hit to GDP in two years. That is how bad the situation is.

However RP shouldn't be the one saying "We need to cut GDP by 12% Right Now!", that is for us.
 
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How can he lose it? He never had it. It may, however, encourage support from the jobless poor who are shut out of the unions. Unfortunately I don't think that many of them are sophisticated enough to understand how they are getting screwed.

And what votes did he have? When I say he will lose the Union vote, I mean it is pretty clear in the budget plan that he is attacking Unions. I just do not understand this. This is like saying to a union worker, you are just like the redundant empty suits in government. I mean really, please explain to me why Ron Paul's budget attacks union workers?

No one is shut out of the Unions. I am not sure why you'd say that. From my experience, unions are struggling to fill apprenticeship roles and will take just about any American Citizen who shows any competence at all, train them, and find work for them.

Please explain how Unions are screwing working class people, besides maybe a few bad apples scamming their locals. I'd like to hear this.

Ron Paul could have the Unions vote for him this cycle. That is a huge grass roots voting block who don't just blindly pool their money and power together because of some federal promise of a job. Ending Union projects and repealing Davis-Bacon only hurts Union wages and union competitiveness. This action would definitely invite more unorganized labor to come in and take jobs for lower wages. That is not what is needed at the local levels. At all. Their ought to be a wage standard as long as the markets are manipulated and pulling the plug on the wage standard before taking care of the rest of the manipulation in the market is just the easiest cut to make.

To me, this is no different than what companies do to employees all the time in so far as suppressing wages at every opportunity. If you don't pay your workers, you can expect a shitty job, because skilled people don't work for unskilled rates, unless they are forced to.
 
This is not a general election yet, unions aren't a factor right now.

Well, that's a good point. So Ron can ignore possible votes now, and in the general by telegraphing a repeal that will force wages lowers for everyone, union and non union alike.
 
Unions will never vote for Ron Paul no matter what

Such a blanket statement. What would the nearly 15 million union people not rally around Ron Paul? I can give one really simple reason, his restore America budget will destroy unions aka organized labor. Come on, what other reason would unions not vote for Rp?
 
I mean it is pretty clear in the budget plan that he is attacking Unions. I just do not understand this. This is like saying to a union worker, you are just like the redundant empty suits in government. I mean really, please explain to me why Ron Paul's budget attacks union workers?
The purpose, of course, is to cut wasteful government expenditure.

No one is shut out of the Unions. I am not sure why you'd say that. From my experience, unions are struggling to fill apprenticeship roles and will take just about any American Citizen who shows any competence at all, train them, and find work for them. Please explain how Unions are screwing working class people, besides maybe a few bad apples scamming their locals. I'd like to hear this.
Look. Unions don't make jobs. Employers do. And no one said that they are shut out of unions. They are shut out of jobs. This is not complicated. If wage rates are artificially high, then fewer people will be hired. Employers will hire fewer workers, produce less and automate more. The ones who are shut out of jobs are the most vulnerable members of society. There is a reason why unemployment rates are highest among minorities and the young. They are prevented from taking jobs by unions, minimum wage laws, certification programs and a host of other mechanisms. Everyone of these would not exist without some sort of government meddling in the market place to favour one group over another. Davis-Bacon is far from the most egregious example of this but it definitely is one example.

Ron Paul could have the Unions vote for him this cycle. That is a huge grass roots voting block who don't just blindly pool their money and power together because of some federal promise of a job. Ending Union projects and repealing Davis-Bacon only hurts Union wages and union competitiveness. This action would definitely invite more unorganized labor to come in and take jobs for lower wages. That is not what is needed at the local levels. At all. Their ought to be a wage standard as long as the markets are manipulated and pulling the plug on the wage standard before taking care of the rest of the manipulation in the market is just the easiest cut to make.
All forms of government coercion are evil and the ones forcing unions on those who do not want them are right up there on the list.

To me, this is no different than what companies do to employees all the time in so far as suppressing wages at every opportunity. If you don't pay your workers, you can expect a shitty job, because skilled people don't work for unskilled rates, unless they are forced to.
You really need to understand the difference between coercion and force. And learn a bit of economics while you're at it. Companies can't suppress wage rates. Only a government can do that.
 
Ask anyone from the rust belt what unions do to jobs. Unions and the EPA together (though independent of one another) have completely decimated the local economies of places like the Ohio river valley and west virginia, for example. The unions single handedly bankrupted the American steel industry. I remember as a kid hearing of the "awesome pay and benefits" you gr from the mill. Sure.... It works for a while, but you can't be competitive when you're paying labor 3x market value. Same reason ford build cars in Canada and Mexico.
 
Does anyone have more specific details on Ron's plan to eliminate HUD? Im a landlord and I have a couple of tenants that currently receive section 8 rental assistance from HUD and Id like to know how this would be handled if the department was eliminated. I remember hearing about block grants to the states, does that apply for this department?
 
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