Republican Presidential Debate to Exclude Ron Paul

[Shaun]

Guys, you all need to relax, it will make no difference if he's in those debates or not. Don't put up resistance, just let them do what they are going to do. Believe me when you guys raise 10 Million Dollars on Dec 16th it will make the debate organizers wish that the ground would swallow them. They will be in ruins.
It's over, the Dr will win all of this.
Put your energy into getting behind the guys who pulled off the historic event yesterday.
Believe me, the 10 Million raised on that day makes RP the nominee and most likely next President. Raise him 10 Million and it's all over for them.
Focus on the BIG things, that will make a BIG difference in a BIG hurry. Dec 16th victory at 10m = Paul in the White House, all the rest of it is a sideshow, including the debate.
Really. PR is my business.
Focus people, focus.

 

[mtmedlin]

Instead of bitching lets focus our attention on helping Iowa and get RP up to at least 5%. Then there is no problem and he gets a six way debate.

 

[Dlynne]

Maybe the Iowans on this forum can identify themselves, and tell us how to help?

 

[Cali4RonPaul]

Guys, you all need to relax, it will make no difference if he's in those debates or not. Don't put up resistance, just let them do what they are going to do. Believe me when you guys raise 10 Million Dollars on Dec 16th it will make the debate organizers wish that the ground would swallow them. They will be in ruins.
It's over, the Dr will win all of this.
Put your energy into getting behind the guys who pulled off the historic event yesterday.
Believe me, the 10 Million raised on that day makes RP the nominee and most likely next President. Raise him 10 Million and it's all over for them.
Focus on the BIG things, that will make a BIG difference in a BIG hurry. Dec 16th victory at 10m = Paul in the White House, all the rest of it is a sideshow, including the debate.
Really. PR is my business.
Focus people, focus.

I think it matters a great deal that he is at every one of the debates, alot of name recognition is generated in that manner. It is very critical to garner more public support.

 

[curiousobserver]

outrageous

outrageous!!

 

[freedominnumbers]

I think a peaceful gathering adjacent to or outside of the debate will do little to make up for the exclusion. There will be no media coverage of RP supporters milling around outside the debate.

If we intend to perform any action in the event of exclusion it needs to be something that makes a true statement and shows the viewers on TV and in the hall that we exist and in large numbers, even if it means interfering with the debate.

If you don't let the people know we have been excluded then they won't know. It also makes no sense to spend a fortune on advertising on the same network who is conspiring to destroy you.

The problem of FOX itself should probably be dealt with through PACS after the campaign is over by running advertising which exposes FOX and other media outlets.

This is only of course if the Fox Poll is still reporting 1% at the end of November.

 

[Geronimo]

Ron Paul may be excluded from Iowa Fox News Debate!

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Ron Paul may be excluded from Iowa Fox News Debate!
By Shahram Vahdany

The Iowa Republican Party and Fox News Channel announced today plans for a Dec. 4 debate of the GOP presidential campaigns in Des Moines.

The Tuesday evening event is scheduled for Hy-Vee Hall in Des Moines and comes as the race to the Jan. 3 caucuses enters its final month.

It was unclear who would attend, although only those candidates who had support of at least 5 percent of those surveyed in recent national polls or The Des Moines Register’s Iowa Poll are invited, Iowa GOP officials said.

That would include former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Arizona Sen. John McCain, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson. It could leave out U.S. Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Tom Tancredo of Colorado.

Edit: This is what I don't get...

"It was unclear who would attend, although only those candidates who had support of at least 5 percent of those surveyed in recent national polls or The Des Moines Register’s Iowa Poll are invited, Iowa GOP officials said.

That would include former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Arizona Sen. John McCain, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson. It could leave out U.S. Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Tom Tancredo of Colorado.

It doesn't sound like he's excluded

 

[Adamsa]

I can't see him being left out after that huge ass fund raise we just did. He SHOULD meet 5% anyway.

 

[max]

I dare them!

Leaving RP out after he got all this media exposure would cause serious blowback in our favor...

You remember what happened when they left him out last time in Iowa.

They better not fuck with us

 

[dt_]

We already have a thread to discuss this.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=32844

Please let's try and avoid duplicate discussions for the sake of effective conversation

 

[Pride]

Leaving RP out after he got all this media exposure would cause serious blowback in our favor...

You remember what happened when they left him out last time in Iowa.

They better not fuck with us

There would be HUGE blowback if the left him out, and it would work to our favor.

 

[Geronimo]

Mods can delete if they want.

 

[RockEnds]

So, I went back 10 pages or so, and as best as I could tell, the IA GOP did get back to someone, and Ron Paul is excluded unless his polling numbers are up by the end of November. Is that a fair assessment of what's been confirmed?

 

[Paulite5112007]

There would be HUGE blowback if the left him out, and it would work to our favor.

I still think to win the nomination he needs to be viewed as viable to vote for by those that dont use these internets - and that means he needs to be at these debates.

 

[brianbb98]

as bad as we may see this being... the youtube debate will be in a couple weeks and i think people we have a better chance to learn about dr paul then the 1/20th of the time they usually give him during these things

 

[freedominnumbers]

So, I went back 10 pages or so, and as best as I could tell, the IA GOP did get back to someone, and Ron Paul is excluded unless his polling numbers are up by the end of November. Is that a fair assessment of what's been confirmed?

That's exactly what I got from 23 pages.

 

[RockEnds]

They're trying to call us out.

 

[Paulite5112007]

More specifically, since it is unlikely that FOX will determine RP has 5% nationally on their own - we are left with two polls that must average 5%. These polls measure only IOWA support. They had him at 4% and 1% respectively when they were taken last.

 

[Danny Molina]

You use the word "major" rather than "all" Republican
candidates. Does this mean that the Iowa Republican Party
intends to exclude some of our Republican presidential
candidates? I surely hope this is not the case. There have
been seven debates to date, and the sponsors of all those
debates have acted in a fair and impartial manner by
including all candidates. While it is true that the "top
tier" candidates were given more time and more questions to
answer, nonetheless, all candidates were included. I hope it would not fall to the Republican Party of Iowa to be the
first to act unfairly. All of our Republican candidates
have made major sacrifices to run a presidential campaign
and their supporters have worked hard and also made
sacrifices of time and money. They ALL deserve to be heard
and treated respectfully.

*cough* Alan Keyes *cough*

 

[Primbs]

The conservative talk radio shows are trying to narrow the field down also. They are suggesting conservatives should get behind Mitt or some other candidate.