Report shows Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world

[Theocrat]

What's Your Point?

“Report shows Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.”

Report written and published by the Christian religion.

Nuff said.

Actually, you haven't said anything.

 

[AxisMundi]

Captain, all I can say is that your knowledge of history is competely lacking.

 

[idirtify]

I thought that at one time too. I was sadly wrong. It's pretty simple though. Just read the bible and tell me where it ordains such practices. Quite the contrary. Many Christians were called heretics Most of the people who translated the bible were killed, jailed or tortured. I will be looking for references to pass on to you about it. It's been so long since I read that stuff.

I see you are resorting to an old tactic: separate mainstream Christianity from “that which is contained in the bible”, and implying that “even though they called themselves Christians, they were techically not”. Lots of things considered mainstream Christianity (for any given time period) were/are not in the bible, but are still considered Christianity.

 

[idirtify]

Actually, you haven't said anything.

Right…
Let me explain this simple phrase ("nuf said") to you. It means that I didn’t have to say anything because the two lines, when placed back-to-back, speak for themselves (reveal the bias).

 

[CCTelander]

You know, modern Christians seem to be almost completely ignorant of the history of their own religion, and the horrible persecution that has been heaped upon others by Christianity over the centuries.

Overall, I'd say that Christianity has given at least as good as it gets.

 

[CCTelander]

nm

 

[TER]

You know, modern Christians seem to be almost completely ignorant of the history of their own religion, and the horrible persecution that has been heaped upon others by Christianity over the centuries.

Overall, I'd say that Christianity has given at least as good as it gets.

As the Christian Church is full of people, then it naturally is full of sinners, for all people are sinners and fall short of the mark. There is no disputing this. To add to this, the devil attacks especially hard against the children of God for great is the fall of the righteous.

What the Christian Church also is replete with are the countless saints who have lived the virtuous life, who have finished the race, and have joined the heavenly ranks of angels to the Glory of God. What the Church also has are those righteous who still live in this world, many who the world never hears about, who live selfless lives in love and sacrifice for their neighbor, in continuous prayer for the world and everything in it. 'The prayers of the righteous availeth much' (James 5:16). For these men and women of God, their entire life is a living prayer.

No Church has lost more innocent lives than the Christian Church and no Church has produced more saints. These are what a person comes to realize in their first few steps in their journey towards Christianity, and when aided by the Holy Scriptures and the writings of the saints, what was once so foreign and distant, what seemed far and far away to the point of perceived absence, becomes apparent, immanent, and experienced in the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Truth, the Logos, the Word of God, Whom the Father sent to reveal to mankind what they have searched for from the beginning. Who am I? Why am I here? What is the meaning of existence and what is the truth?

The truth is not a what but a Who. We are an image of the trinitarian God, and our existence is trinitarian. We are flesh, soul, and spirit. And only in the flesh, soul, and spirit will the truth be revealed.

Glory to God in the Highest! Glory to the Lord! Glory to the Holy Spirit!

 

[BlackTerrel]

You know, modern Christians seem to be almost completely ignorant of the history of their own religion, and the horrible persecution that has been heaped upon others by Christianity over the centuries.

Overall, I'd say that Christianity has given at least as good as it gets.

So basically they have it coming? Nice...

 

[CCTelander]

So basically they have it coming? Nice...

Never even implied such. But at the same time they aren't entitled to any special sympathy either, nor do they occupy any special place as "most persecuted."

Most whiney? Maybe. At least many of them seem to have serious persecution complexes.

 

[Theocrat]

Right...Back At You

Right…
Let me explain this simple phrase ("nuf said") to you. It means that I didn’t have to say anything because the two lines, when placed back-to-back, speak for themselves (reveal the bias).

I know what "'Nuff said" means. My point was that you haven't proven whether what the report says is true or not. You just refuse to accept the claims of the report because it was written by Christians (shows your bias).

So, by your reckoning, if, for example, an evolutionist produces a report showing how evolution is more scientific than creationism, then none of us should believe the report nor examine its verity because it was written and published by an evolutionist. Are you sure you want to reason in that fashion? [lol]

"Congressman Paul says we should read and obey the Constitution."

"You can't trust what he says."

"Why?"

"Because he's a Constitutionalist, and he says we should follow the Constitution. He is biased."

*Facepalm*

By the way, in Logic, that is known as a "Circumstantial Ad Hominem," which is a logical fallacy, on your part.

 

[Zippyjuan]

What exactly does "Most Persecuted" mean? Christians claim they are. Jews claim they are. So do the Jehova's Witnesses. Is it the largest numbers being killed or beaten for their religious beliefs? The numbers in jail based on those beliefs? Those who feal they have been slighted in some way? Few religions are free from persecution- either on the giving or the receiving end. Does "most persecuted" mean that you suffer the most and are therefore the most "justified" or "better" religion? All peoples suffer. None are unique in that matter.

 

[YumYum]

Jesus said "if they hated me, then they will hate you"..so the more that someone is persecuted, the closer they are to Jesus (in their thinking). The identifying mark of a follower of Jesus is love, not being persecuted.

It's all noise because Jesus said that very few people who proclaim to be his followers will be saved. He only talks about the "chosen few" being saved. Just a "few". That is not very many. And yet, billions of Christians have lived and are living on this Earth, and all are claiming to be followers of Christ, and claiming to be "saved". Who then approves of them being destroyed if they are not saved? None other than Jesus himself. Jesus will persecute more so-called Christians than all the other persecutions against so-called Christians combined. Jesus will approve the death of those who claim to worship Him.

Matthew 7:13,14

Matthew 7: 21-23

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

What exactly does "Most Persecuted" mean? Christians claim they are. Jews claim they are. So do the Jehova's Witnesses. Is it the largest numbers being killed or beaten for their religious beliefs? The numbers in jail based on those beliefs? Those who feal they have been slighted in some way? Few religions are free from persecution- either on the giving or the receiving end. Does "most persecuted" mean that you suffer the most and are therefore the most "justified" or "better" religion? All peoples suffer. None are unique in that matter.

+1

As Zippy points out, what is being measured exactly to claim "Most Persecuted".

 

[idirtify]

I know what "'Nuff said" means. My point was that you haven't proven whether what the report says is true or not. You just refuse to accept the claims of the report because it was written by Christians (shows your bias).

So, by your reckoning, if, for example, an evolutionist produces a report showing how evolution is more scientific than creationism, then none of us should believe the report nor examine its verity because it was written and published by an evolutionist. Are you sure you want to reason in that fashion? [lol]

"Congressman Paul says we should read and obey the Constitution."

"You can't trust what he says."

"Why?"

"Because he's a Constitutionalist, and he says we should follow the Constitution. He is biased."

*Facepalm*

By the way, in Logic, that is known as a "Circumstantial Ad Hominem," which is a logical fallacy, on your part.

That would be a good point if it weren’t for the reputation of religion, which traditionally doesn’t adhere to facts or truth or reason or logic or evidence nearly as much as science. So when you compare the backgrounds of the two, you can see how your charge of “circumstantial ad hominem” is false. Historically, religion has low credibility.

Here’s another example, which is not based on “circumstantial ad hominem”:

“'Report shows socialism is the most persecuted ideology in the world'.”
“Report written and published by Socialists.”
“Nuff said.”

The point is not that all self-serving statements are inherently false, but only that most self-serving statements from less-credible sources are less credible.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't know if Christians are the most persecuted faith in the world, but they are the most persecuted faith at RPF. Christians are the only group that I've seen so called "liberty" types say should be sent to the gas chambers and ovens, be sent to re-education camps, be denied an education in certain fields etc. Yet all of these people who hate Christians so much want a fundamentalist Christian to be president. Go figure.

 

[idirtify]

I don't know if Christians are the most persecuted faith in the world, but they are the most persecuted faith at RPF. Christians are the only group that I've seen so called "liberty" types say should be sent to the gas chambers and ovens, be sent to re-education camps, be denied an education in certain fields etc. Yet all of these people who hate Christians so much want a fundamentalist Christian to be president. Go figure.

Since you conflate “Christians” with “faith” (persons with message) twice in one sentence, it’s not clear what you are saying. I assume it’s either: 1) Christians are the most persecuted people on this forum, or 2) Christianity is the most disputed religion on this forum, or 3) Christians are the most persecuted people outside of this forum. While it could be number one, I have not seen a whole lot of it here; and I certainly have not seen anyone here say that Christians should be sent to gas chambers and ovens or re-education camps. If someone said that here, I’m going to assume it’s a rare thing. Was it said here? Where?

 

[jmdrake]

Since you conflate “Christians” with “faith” (persons with message)

There you go with your "veiled ad hominems" again. Seriously, your snide comments are getting old. And I'm not the only one that notices.

While it could be number one, I have not seen a whole lot of it here; and I certainly have not seen anyone here say that Christians should be sent to gas chambers and ovens or re-education camps. If someone said that here, I’m going to assume it’s a rare thing. Was it said here? Where?

The forum has a lovely search function. Look it up. Or I'll be willing to look it up for you for a fee. Say you staying off the religion subforum for 24 hours? Besides, you probably want Christians sent to re-education camps yourself since you think the fact that there are Christians makes the world "dangerous".

Anyway, here's where one of your fellow atheists said he (or she) could "only dream" about Christians being sent to the ovens. After I called he/she/it on that he/she/it tried to say that was a joke, but added that Christians should be treated for their "illness".

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1322405&highlight=dream#post1322405

And there were several regulars agreeing with a schools decision to attempt to for a Christian counseling student to change her personal beliefs (not the answers she put down on a test or wrote in a paper) about homosexuality.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=254774&highlight=christian+counselor

So yes. Christians are persecuted more at RPF than any other group. I haven't seen anybody suggesting forced re-education or "ovens" on Muslims or Jews. I definitely haven't seen it being suggested for atheists.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I don't know if Christians are the most persecuted faith in the world, but they are the most persecuted faith at RPF. Christians are the only group that I've seen so called "liberty" types say should be sent to the gas chambers and ovens, be sent to re-education camps, be denied an education in certain fields etc. Yet all of these people who hate Christians so much want a fundamentalist Christian to be president. Go figure.

And we also have a couple people who agree that those who convert to Christianity should be sentenced to death...

 

[ClayTrainor]

Never even implied such.

Lol @ him thinking you did, lmao. Many Christians seem to get off on playing the "I'm a victim" card.

 

[idirtify]

There you go with your "veiled ad hominems" again. Seriously, your snide comments are getting old. And I'm not the only one that notices.



The forum has a lovely search function. Look it up. Or I'll be willing to look it up for you for a fee. Say you staying off the religion subforum for 24 hours? Besides, you probably want Christians sent to re-education camps yourself since you think the fact that there are Christians makes the world "dangerous".

Anyway, here's where one of your fellow atheists said he (or she) could "only dream" about Christians being sent to the ovens. After I called he/she/it on that he/she/it tried to say that was a joke, but added that Christians should be treated for their "illness".

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1322405&highlight=dream#post1322405

And there were several regulars agreeing with a schools decision to attempt to for a Christian counseling student to change her personal beliefs (not the answers she put down on a test or wrote in a paper) about homosexuality.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=254774&highlight=christian+counselor

So yes. Christians are persecuted more at RPF than any other group. I haven't seen anybody suggesting forced re-education or "ovens" on Muslims or Jews. I definitely haven't seen it being suggested for atheists.

Thanks for finally backing up your “ad hominem” accusation with a quote. Now you only have ONE more thing to do: Tell me how/why it qualifies. IOW, how does me telling you that your post confused two concepts constitute an insult, even a “veiled” one?

As far as me searching for support for your claims, I’m not going to do it. In what world would I be expected to spend time doing multiple complex searches in order to verify YOUR claims? And spare me your sarcastic humor. Why should I pay you to back up your claims? HINT: That’s YOUR job. And when you do your job, don’t send me to the top of a ten-page thread and expect me to search out what you are claiming. As far as anything immediately evident at those links that provides ACTUAL examples to verify your previous claims, I didn’t see it. But even if it exists in there somewhere, obviously it’s rare; since you had to go back 2 years.