Recount Results

[Molly1]

Maybe the grassroots need to demand (and pay) for a recount in every state. That was we all know for sure how accurate/inaccurate the machines are.

It's pretty hard to argue with the truth.

I think that's a good idea.

It would only cost around, say, 500,000.

 

[Basilieus]

Isn't there a saying about doing it right the first time saves time?

 

[Molly1]

So they only missed 66% of Ron Paul's votes, that was close.

They're doing better than sutton which missed 100% of the Ron Paul votes.

 

[Molly1]

I would highly recommend Dennis have the Plymouth area recounted, he had 20+ yard signs in this area and less votes than that

You need to get that information to him.

I already called and suggested he do the whole state.

I also suggested he put a place on his website so that people could donate online specifically to the recount.

You can find the number to call at the bottom of his website dennis4president.com.

 

[Fight-n-Mad]

 

[Truth Warrior]

Kinda makes one wonder how historic elections REALLY turned out. Doesn't it?
LOL !

No wonder the politicians LOVE demobcrazy SOOOOOOOOO much!

 

[markpa]

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread.....has RP gained significant votes?

 

[dannno]

Kinda makes one wonder how historic elections REALLY turned out. Doesn't it?
LOL !

No wonder the politicians LOVE demobcrazy SOOOOOOOOO much!

Ya reminds me of the California elections we had I think back in 2000 when I voted to continue having open primaries. I lost and now democrats can't vote for ron paul in my state. The question is, WHO exactly votes against open primaries?? Diebold??

 

[AdamT]

OK so the Diebold memory cards are missing, even though they are required to hold them for 22 months. However the machines NH used are scan-tron machines, meaning the voter fills in a dot on a paper ballot and then feeds it into the machine to count. If all the paper scan-tron ballots were saved, can't they just be hand counted??

Aside comparing the hand counted results to the machine totals, why are the memory cards necessary in the re-count?

 

[jblosser]

Do they only have one person counting the votes now? I can't understand how it is taking so long to count them.

Seems one person counting for each precinct and then a second to double check the first and all of them would be done by now.

If they're doing it right they should have around 10 people involved for each counted vote.

One person retrieves the ballots from the stack, in full view of the room, and hands it to the person who is counting.

That person counts each ballot, out loud. Two people watch over their shoulder to make sure they don't lie.

A second person writes down the count as it's announced. Two more people watch over their shoulder to make sure they don't lie about what they write down.

A third person writes down the count after the second. Two more people over their shoulder.

Once a vote is recorded in triplicate, they have to put the ballot in the counted stack and move to the next. They have to be very methodical about this so that no one is able to introduce chaos in the stacks and add or remove ballots. Typically they won't let more than one ballot be on or near the table at a time.

Once the full count is done, the three count sheets are checked, rechecked, and re-rechecked for correct and 100% matching math. And you hope nothing fails to add up, or you have to find out why.

Yes, hand counts are the way to do it but no, they are NOT quick and easy.

PS: This is exactly how the poll I watched in NH counted their absentee and write-ins, and it took like 3 hours to do a relatively small number of votes. That group did NOT screw around, and if those people are involved in the hand recount, it will take days at least.

 

[Molly1]

OK so the Diebold memory cards are missing, even though they are required to hold them for 22 months. However the machines NH used are scan-tron machines, meaning the voter fills in a dot on a paper ballot and then feeds it into the machine to count. If all the paper scan-tron ballots were saved, can't they just be hand counted??

Aside comparing the hand counted results to the machine totals, why are the memory cards necessary in the re-count?

yes they are hand counting the paper ballots.

I'm just guessing here, but I would guess they want to look at the programs inside the memory cards and compare them to the actual handcounted vote.

If there's fraud, it would be inside the memory cards.

 

[Basilieus]

OK so the Diebold memory cards are missing, even though they are required to hold them for 22 months. However the machines NH used are scan-tron machines, meaning the voter fills in a dot on a paper ballot and then feeds it into the machine to count. If all the paper scan-tron ballots were saved, can't they just be hand counted??

Aside comparing the hand counted results to the machine totals, why are the memory cards necessary in the re-count?

The memory cards would primarily contain some type of database, most likely counts. If you think about it, it wouldn't matter what ballots went through the machine as the data on the memory card could be used.

 

[Molly1]

The memory cards would primarily contain some type of database, most likely counts. If you think about it, it wouldn't matter what ballots went through the machine as the data on the memory card could be used.

Or it would be programmed to flip votes from one candidate to the next.

 

[dsentell]

This makes you realize how true the saying is: "It does not matter who votes, what matters is who counts the votes.

A couple of years back, my city (population 18,000) voted on whether to build a 185 mile long four-lane divided highway. Yes you read correctly. Now, anyone in their right mind would realize that this community could not afford to build this highway and I do not personally know of any citizen who voted for it. But lo and behold it passed and we are now building a highway.

It is very interesting and telling that clearing and surveying work was already underway prior to the election . . . . . .

Quere-- Do we the people really decide anything?

 

[steph3n]

OK so the Diebold memory cards are missing, even though they are required to hold them for 22 months. However the machines NH used are scan-tron machines, meaning the voter fills in a dot on a paper ballot and then feeds it into the machine to count. If all the paper scan-tron ballots were saved, can't they just be hand counted??

Aside comparing the hand counted results to the machine totals, why are the memory cards necessary in the re-count?

that is exactly what is happening, they are reading the paper ballots.

 

[jd603]

This shows votes being reduced for hillary in every location, adding all the locations up would be hundreds of votes, how big of a spread did they have? this may be uncovering fraud.

Some results are up on New Hampshire's Secretary of State's webpage.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

Paul went from 2 votes to 6 votes in one Manchester Ward, but otherwise pretty accurate so far. Very little done as of yet, but if you're interested in the recount the raw numbers are here.

 

[John P Slevin]

who opposed

Ya reminds me of the California elections we had I think back in 2000 when I voted to continue having open primaries. I lost and now democrats can't vote for ron paul in my state. The question is, WHO exactly votes against open primaries?? Diebold??

As a general rule of thumb, all political parties oppose open primaries. In the California situation you cite, most if not all minor parties opposed open primaries.

 

[dannno]

As a general rule of thumb, all political parties oppose open primaries. In the California situation you cite, most if not all minor parties opposed open primaries.

So says the machines and the political parties.... I just can't imagine real people voting that way...never know I guess.

 

[PeaceCandidates.com]

Michigan primary vote fraud underway

Michigan Democrats: Vote For Ron Paul! (Dem Primary Doesn't Count)
Fraud claims emerge in US presidential race
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Voter #1 Genoa Township, Michigan Precinct 3. Voting problems?

Posted January 15th, 2008

First observation...
-Diebold

I was the first voter, I circled in Ron Paul and put my ballot into the machine. Spit it right back out and said INVALID BALLOT.

Second guy gives it a shot. INVALID BALLOT.

I begin argueing with the lady running the precinct about computer voting and people voting. This lady actually says in a room full of people that Computers are better at counting ballots than people, cause people make mistakes. who makes computers?

So to finish it up, she calls the township. she says I can keep my ballot in a secret compartment and they will put it through later once its fixed.

So they call her back. She gets off the phone. She says the manufacturer says there is a problem with a memory card. Someone from the manufacturer will be there with a new memory card soon.

Holy hell, it doesn't help that I just watched a damn documentary about DIEBOLD and MEMORY CARDS.

I immediately left and drive to the township office to voice my complaints. They must still be sleeping.


by LettenYouKnow

Posted by CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS mparent7777 Marc Parent CCNWON at 8:14 AM
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/michigan-primary-vote-fraud-underway.html

 

[Fight-n-Mad]

Aside comparing the hand counted results to the machine totals, why are the memory cards necessary in the re-count?

If there is a discrepancy, the data on the memory cards can be used to figure out why. That, and how do we know that these are really the original ballots? Apparently they haven't been kept track of very well.

I mentioned this before, but does anyone know why the tallies for Manchester are so low? There were 15,000 votes originally reported there. Why don't the recount numbers reflect that?

Edit: 15,000 Republican votes