RECLAIM AUSTRALIA; Marchers across Australia against Islam

[Wilf]

So they hate the West, but want to live here? I will never understand these Muslims.

WTF. Are you some stromtrooper?

 

[FloralScent]

You have no answer except the typical modern American response of those who have never studied real US history.

The Americans of any period always thought the immigrants coming in would ruin the country- whether it was Irish Catholics or Asians. This country has always been more successful with immigration- just take away the entitlements and let free enterprise reign.

Ask the American Indians how unfettered immigration worked out for them.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

WTF. Are you some stromtrooper?

I don't know about AuH20 but he's right that many muslims that come to the West, just want the welfare & higher living standard but hate the Western culture & Western people. I don't think one necessarily has to be a racial supremacist to hate Islam. Of course, I don't think U.S. government should engage in unnecessary wars overseas, in the middle-east or elsewhere, but that does NOT mean that Islam is innocent.

Islam was established by a guy who was a warlord, slave-owner, polygamist, anti-women, a pedophile, etc etc so it's only apt that any reasonable person will be disgusted by this religion. Personally, I'm an agnostic-atheist, & I'm not one of those atheists who go around trying to "convert" others to atheism but even I (& many other atheists) see Islam as the worst religion of all. The religion explicitly prohibits muslims from befriending non-muslims, they are only to FEIGN friendship if there life is in danger, raping non-muslim women is acceptable, & enslaving & kiling non-muslims in general is also acceptable. It's all there in Qur'an & the Hadiths, you should give it a shot!

Islam is spreading like wildfire in Europe due to very high birth-rates of muslims & things are changing pretty rapidly over there & if people keep thinking that Islam is this innocent little religion then it might be too late; it's not just a religion, it's a political ideology of conquest & oppression.













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[Paul Or Nothing II]

WTF. Are you some stromtrooper?

Again, it's naive to think of Islam as just another religion; there are reasons why muslims are so prone to violence while some of the other religions are not. Here's an atheist perspective on why not all religions are the same -

 

[HankRicther12]

Again, it's naive to think of Islam as just another religion; there are reasons why muslims are so prone to violence while some of the other religions are not. Here's an atheist perspective on why not all religions are the same -

Too bad few will view this, even if they do they have some automatic response system in them that will forbid their mind from accepting it because then they would be "racist".

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Are these domestic freedom concerns now the reason that Australia is not sending troops to spread freedom in Syria? Iraqi Freedom is all that they was interested in?

Seems like abrupt end of Freedom March.


Prediction

Within next 10-15 years, Australia would follow US and elect a PM whose middle name would rhyme with Hussein or Osama as an apology for Iraqi Freedom. After that election, more than 50% of Australians would believe that their PM is a secret muslim and get very demoralized about the direction of their country.

 

[Wilf]

Again, it's naive to think of Islam as just another religion; there are reasons why muslims are so prone to violence while some of the other religions are not. Here's an atheist perspective on why not all religions are the same -

So you think that muslims is the only why the world have so many issuse? Do you support a never ending culture war with them? Do you belive that exterminating muslims will slove all the world problem? If yes, then you are a not libertarian but an imperalist (in the european kind).

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Too bad few will view this, even if they do they have some automatic response system in them that will forbid their mind from accepting it because then they would be "racist".

Yes, many have that sort of a knee-jerk response, unfortunately. Nonetheless, that does change once they come in contact with the REAL Islam, practiced as prescribed in the Islamic religious texts. One can only ignore the truth for only so long; after a point, one has to accept it or pay the price for their ignorance. I think some libertarians tend to think of people as if they were mere inanimate economic objects that have no bearing on the economic systems in action but nothing could be farther from the truth because economic systems are, to a significant degree, products of the people & their culture.

So you think that muslims is the only why the world have so many issuse? Do you support a never ending culture war with them? Do you belive that exterminating muslims will slove all the world problem? If yes, then you are a not libertarian but an imperalist (in the european kind).

Where have I said that Islam is the source of all of the world's problems?
Where have talked of supporting "war" with them?
Where have I talked about "exterminating" muslims?

Sorry but you're disingenuously putting words into my mouth. I've merely pointed out that Islam is a vile political ideology spread by a heinous individual, & anybody that espouses modern values, libertarian or otherwise, should be wary of it & accordingly, take action to restrict its contagion in their society. If you think Islam is a great thing then I urge you to read the Qur'an & the Hadiths as well as visit Islamic countries because if people don't halt Islamic immigration into their countries then those countries will soon resemble Islamic countries anyway.

Imperialism involves one group imposing themselves upon another, I don't support that but sorry to say that you are, in effect, enabling Islamic imperialism by attacking people who oppose Islamic imperialism.

I feel that I'm philosophically closest to being a Voluntaryist but unlike some libertarians, I don't pretend like people are inanimate economic units that have no effect on the socioeconomic structures present in a given society; so pardon me if I don't view Islamic immigration as some kind of a boom for the kind of society libertarians would want to live in, in fact, libertarians are perhaps least likely to enjoy living in Islamic societies.

 

[osan]

BWAAAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA...

The OP is a fucking RIOT. I can hear the government stooges now... "OOOOooo.... look... they have SIGNS.... Ooooo... we're so afraid! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA..."

As if marching with signs is going to get the Muslims removed. Not on their lives.

Take a good look at this shit, everyone. This is one of the consequences of being disarmed. This is why the 2A is where it is.

"Perhaps if we whine at them enough..." Yah, go too far with that shit and the only people will the guns will be putting you in their cross-hairs.

Man am I glad I'm coming soon to the end of my life. The world of men could not possibly become more boring.

 

[osan]

WTF. Are you some stromtrooper?

WTF. Are you perceptually impaired? The post to which you refer was clear as a semantic bell. How, pray tell, do you make the leap from what AuH2O wrote and "stormtrooper" [sic]?

One of us is on a planet other than earth.

 

[alucard13mm]

Didn't Michael Sheuer said that intelligence inticates that around 5-10% (a conservative number) of muslims are extremists and jihadists or symphathizers of extremists and jihadists. The problem is that 5% of 2 billion muslims is a big number.. 100 million people that hates the west and/or wants to take over.

Is it fair to group all the muslims together? No.. but USA has enough issues as it is and it doesn't need these unstoppable, random attacks (which undoubtly will increase with more muslims just based on # of extremists that also get in or exposed to islam to convert). We have gangbangers shooting up cities.. crazy white people souped up on psychotropic drugs.. power trip cops and etc etc.

One more thing I just realize... I compare illegal immigrants/asylum seekers and poor citizens to stray cats and dogs. I think of illegal immigrants/immigrants as stray dogs that got a story and the media picked up, now thousands of people want to adopt that dog (who otherwise wouldnt consider it). I actually hate people like that. I think of poor, homeless, starving citizens as stray dogs that got picked up, no one notices and are put to sleep.

I believe "helping" illegal immigrants and asylum seekers is more romantic and more "goody goody" of a feeling. It is pretty fucked up, but I believe its exactly how it is.

 

[Wilf]

Didn't Michael Sheuer said that intelligence inticates that around 5-10% (a conservative number) of muslims are extremists and jihadists or symphathizers of extremists and jihadists. The problem is that 5% of 2 billion muslims is a big number.. 100 million people that hates the west and/or wants to take over.

Is it fair to group all the muslims together? No.. but USA has enough issues as it is and it doesn't need these unstoppable, random attacks (which undoubtly will increase with more muslims just based on # of extremists that also get in or exposed to islam to convert). We have gangbangers shooting up cities.. crazy white people souped up on psychotropic drugs.. power trip cops and etc etc.

One more thing I just realize... I compare illegal immigrants/asylum seekers and poor citizens to stray cats and dogs. I think of illegal immigrants/immigrants as stray dogs that got a story and the media picked up, now thousands of people want to adopt that dog (who otherwise wouldnt consider it). I actually hate people like that. I think of poor, homeless, starving citizens as stray dogs that got picked up, no one notices and are put to sleep.

I believe "helping" illegal immigrants and asylum seekers is more romantic and more "goody goody" of a feeling. It is pretty fucked up, but I believe its exactly how it is.

Ok,how whould you solve muslims extremism?

 

[Origanalist]

Ok,how whould you solve muslims extremism?

Kill them here before they attack us over there.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Ok,how whould you solve muslims extremism?

How about keeping them out?

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Ok,how whould you solve muslims extremism?

If you're talking about terrorism then you can't stop completely. Even Ron Paul has said that there's no perfect solution to ensure that there will be no terrorist activities, just as there's no way to ensure that there will be psychopaths, ever. All we can do is improve border security & keep muslims out, there's certainly no point in engaging in wars in the middle-east, that's just gives more muslims a reason to join terrorist groups.

Let me emphasize, I don't have much against muslims who themselves want to live peacefully but the problem is that they are following the political ideology called Islam & their children or their grandchildren, etc can always take notes from Islamic texts & start putting them in practice; you see, there are/were many terrorists, who are/were well-educated, living or born in Western countries with modern values but they turned to terrorism once they took Islam & its texts seriously.

As I've said before, Muhammed was a warlord who spread Islam with a sword, he killed, enslaved, raped non-muslims & that's what "ideal muslims" are expected to be, he was a misogynist, a pedophile, it's all there in their texts so if that's their "ideal muslim" then that shouldn't surprise us that Islamic terrorism is such a big problem everywhere.

Finally, let me ask you, would you be so considerate towards neo-nazis who look up to Hitler? I hope not. And Muhammed was just as bad or worse than Hitler so why are we expected to be so considerate towards muslims, who look up to such a heinous individual as Muhammed?

 

[osan]

Ok,how whould you solve muslims extremism?

There are not that many options here. They could be contained physically, which is difficult and grotesquely expensive. You could simply give them everything they want, including your head, though it is eminently debatable whether that would "solve" the issue at hand. The only other solution that comes to mind, and it is a very unpopular one, is rapid genocidal action. This, of course, is also fraught with all manner of problems.

No matter how you slice it, the problem of the fundamentalist Muslim is very messy. Their mindset is fundamentally incompatible with that of virtually every other culture on the planet. If you wish to remain alive with a reasonable prospect for prosperity, you cannot abide the continued existence of such people precisely because they will not abide you. They will never be a non-threat until either you can bottle them up in foolproof fashion, you kill them to the man, or they stop fucking.

Much like a terminator, they have no pity; they cannot be reasoned with; they cannot be bargained with, and they will never, ever stop until either they get what they want or they are materially stopped... to the man.

 

[tod evans]

Ok,how whould you solve muslims extremism?

There are not that many options here. They could be contained physically, which is difficult and grotesquely expensive. You could simply give them everything they want, including your head, though it is eminently debatable whether that would "solve" the issue at hand. The only other solution that comes to mind, and it is a very unpopular one, is rapid genocidal action. This, of course, is also fraught with all manner of problems.

No matter how you slice it, the problem of the fundamentalist Muslim is very messy. Their mindset is fundamentally incompatible with that of virtually every other culture on the planet. If you wish to remain alive with a reasonable prospect for prosperity, you cannot abide the continued existence of such people precisely because they will not abide you. They will never be a non-threat until either you can bottle them up in foolproof fashion, you kill them to the man, or they stop fucking.

Much like a terminator, they have no pity; they cannot be reasoned with; they cannot be bargained with, and they will never, ever stop until either they get what they want or they are materially stopped... to the man.

One could replace the term "Muslim" with "Government" and the solution proposed would be equally effective....

Personally I don't differentiate between "extremists".

 

[OReich]

Didn't Michael Sheuer said that intelligence inticates that around 5-10% (a conservative number) of muslims are extremists and jihadists or symphathizers of extremists and jihadists. The problem is that 5% of 2 billion muslims is a big number.. 100 million people that hates the west and/or wants to take over.

Is it fair to group all the muslims together? No.. but USA has enough issues as it is and it doesn't need these unstoppable, random attacks (which undoubtly will increase with more muslims just based on # of extremists that also get in or exposed to islam to convert). We have gangbangers shooting up cities.. crazy white people souped up on psychotropic drugs.. power trip cops and etc etc.

One more thing I just realize... I compare illegal immigrants/asylum seekers and poor citizens to stray cats and dogs. I think of illegal immigrants/immigrants as stray dogs that got a story and the media picked up, now thousands of people want to adopt that dog (who otherwise wouldnt consider it). I actually hate people like that. I think of poor, homeless, starving citizens as stray dogs that got picked up, no one notices and are put to sleep.

I believe "helping" illegal immigrants and asylum seekers is more romantic and more "goody goody" of a feeling. It is pretty fucked up, but I believe its exactly how it is.

Although the number of violent terrorists is definitely close to what Sheuer is saying (5-10%), its worth pointing out that the vast majority of Middle Easterners/North Africans support Sharia law, and with moderate-to-majority support in other Muslim majority countries, that would mean that roughly half of all Muslims believe in Sharia law. I know many libertarian "anti-impieralists" refuse to comprehend what Sharia law really is, but its a political system, not a personal lifestyle. I think its awesome that peaceful Muslims have reinterpreted it to be personal or voluntary, just as Jewish law has lost its connection to statehood/violence, but that doesn't change the reality of Muslims worlwide. Islamism/Islamic statism/Sharia law is horrible. Executing ppl for criticizing or leaving Islam, or for being gay, or adultery, or being raped (because it'll be considered adultery, since womens' testimony is worth half of a man's) is horrible, and yet roughly half of all Muslims support it. That's bad.

So when terrorists commit acts of violence in the West, they're Sharia law vigilantes, they're pissed that they need to take Islam into their own hands because the state won't do it for them (like in every Muslim majority country ever). I'm not condemning peaceful, secular Muslims at all; Christianity and Judaism used to be extremely statist/imperialistic/violent as well, secular Muslims are just like the vast majority of non-Muslims. And frankly, Sharia law states who execute ppl for innocent shit are just as evil as any terrorist, even if its not our business.

 

[osan]

One could replace the term "Muslim" with "Government" and the solution proposed would be equally effective....

Personally I don't differentiate between "extremists".

Good point.

 

[OReich]

One could replace the term "Muslim" with "Government" and the solution proposed would be equally effective....

Personally I don't differentiate between "extremists".

So... you don't differentiate between secular democracies and religious dictatorships that execute ppl for innocent acts like leaving or criticizing the state religion? Its all the same? Because its a form of statism, we shouldn't discuss it as if its a distinguishable ideology? Sharia law is identical to communism, fascism, American federalism, western democracies, etc., everything is the same?

I don't think so. In a lot of countries we'd be killed for having this conversation about Islam. Its not all the same.