Reasonable Argument: Think the Campaign Made Some Deals?

Rand is no Ron. And the VP spot is pretty much useless.

It's funny everyone is talking about these issues, because yesterday on Fox Nation, the two stories pertaining to RP had comments ALL in the comments section with people (or paid ops) saying the following:

"Better come to terms or Rand's future is done."
"Rand is being poisoned by his own father."
"Ron is destroying his son's future."

And crap like that. Perhaps something has been done backdoors, I have no clue, and we shouldn't speculate.

All I know is that this campaign hasn't done everything in their power to win states and be truly effective. I think RP his continuing this campaign for our sake because he doesn't want to let us down. However, with that comment that he made about taking over conventions, it does seem something is up...
 
Ok, so we are finally winning state after state for the first time. All of a sudden Benton sends out that stupid email and Ron Paul allegedly says that we are disrespectful and we should stop "hijacking" conventions or whatever he said. There are two possibilities here. The campaign has either made a deal with the establishment to stop the delegate strategy and/or the campaign is totally out of touch with the grassroots and they are starting to believe all the lies the media says about RP supporters.

This is fucking bullshit, I am tired of clarifying for people every day that Ron Paul is still in the race and other lies the media spits out. Benton knew exactly what he was saying and doing. You must be a complete idiot not to think the media is going to manipulate what was said in that email. All day today zombies have been telling me how they heard RP dropped out and you know what? I am not even going to try and clarify and explain to them anymore, I don't have the energy any more.

Sorry everyone, I am usually the positive one, but it just seems that the campaign (excluding RP probably) is definitely licking the ass of the establishment. It almost seems that they forgot what all of this was about. We were way more serious than they expected. Who gives a fuck about delegate binding rules? We are fighting to stop this empire from pillaging and killing millions of people around the world and destroying our freedoms at home and we need to show respect for some stupid "binding rule" when its not even clear if the rule stands? Who should we respect? The establishment that ignores us and lies about us for years? The RNC that openly hates us? Mitt Romney and the other globalists? Please tell me who else deserves our respect?

The only thing the campaign can do now is go on the offensive. They should promote us "hijacking" the election, and defend us when we are in need.

This is stressful as hell.

Interesting take, though Im not quite that tired yet. Im still "clarifying", promoting and donating and will continue to do so.

Cant say Im a fan of that press release. This recent statement from the campaign has been put on blast by the establishment propaganda network.

Just another day in the fight for freedom and the purest torch bearer we will ever see, Ron Paul.
 
It's funny to me that all you people who have been following Ron Paul for months and years now, somehow would now change everything you've come to know about him, in order to secure some personal gratification in the form of helping his son.

This is just not Ron Paul. To believe this, you would have to hold an extremely shallow view of what this revolution is about.
 
People need to get over the VP bullshit. In the constitution, the VP is the 2nd highest vote getting, so probably the President and VP would be rivals with a different philosophy. In modern times, the VP candidate's job is to advocate the Presidential ticket and his platform. You think Rand would be allowed to "go rouge" on Romney on foreign policy on the debate against Biden? You're crazy.

THAT would be so fun to watch, though...
 
I trust Ron Paul...
...but the people working for him are a corrupt pack of liars.

Something about your post doesn't smell right.
Rand Paul 2016!!!

You're right. It's shaken my trust in Ron as well. If he did manage to get into the White House, I would worry about who he'd surround himself with. I was always in this more for than principles than the man anyway. So long as Ron supports those principles, I will support him. But I no more support the filth on this campaign staff than I do the racist newsletters guy.
 
Rand would not accept VP.

Why not?

Our delegates will be choosing the VP - I'm not sure why you all think there has to be some deal made. We will choose the VP whether they want it or not.
 
It's funny to me that all you people who have been following Ron Paul for months and years now, somehow would now change everything you've come to know about him, in order to secure some personal gratification in the form of helping his son.

This is just not Ron Paul. To believe this, you would have to hold an extremely shallow view of what this revolution is about.

Thank you.
 
People, think before you post. The amount of hysteria going on round these parts is rampant. If you're stressed about whatever, go do whatever you do to nip it in the bud. There's no point in broadcasting to the world this defeatist attitude, you're only fueling the egos of the controllers that we're revolting against. Cheer up, the cause of liberty is at its highest strength ever. Stop whining like a bunch of grieving widows! No offense to grieving widows, of course.
 
If they are going to cause disturbances everytime we win and blame the disturbances on us, we will have the same problem with Rand.

I don't think this is the result of a deal, but I think Benton Wead and maybe others have their eyes set on getting one and don't consider this campaign as important.

Benton and Wead's mealticket is retiring.
 
If they cut a deal for Ron or Rand as VP, I'll vote for Romney.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Who knows?

What is all this bull about "cutting a deal"??

Does everyone on this forum still not understand what a DELEGATE is?
 
First and foremost, I've never been a fan of Benton's. I think his strategy is a little different than both Ron's and Doug's. However, I think the email may have been a small blessing in disguise. I'm hoping it causes some potential Romney delegates to not go to conventions or just not go to Tampa.

That being said, I've stated since 2007 Benton was an incompetent idiot.
 
You guys realize there's not a shot in hell RP is going to win the Presidency yet? This is nothing to hang your hats about. Those that have been in the movement know it's about philosophical change in the debate and we're influencing and changing that.

You also don't want him in office the next 4 years if the market begins to turn south, which with the indicators I'm going by it's very likely. Let Obama take the blame and his socialistic ideas. Not a libertarian who believes in free markets and sound money.

Luckily, we are not in hell, we are where God hears prayers. It is God's will which counts, and God answers prayers.
 
I don't think we need multiple threads on speculation as to whether the campaign made deals. Merging.
 
yeah. The idea that Ron would get the blame so we shouldn't want him in is one of the weakest arguments I've heard. He is one of the only people around who could take the heat and STILL try to do what is best for the country to the best he is able. I say push for the win, and take the best we can get while still growing momentum, just as I would have said a week ago. Benton's emails just made it harder.

Yes, I think that Ron Paul was fully aware that yanking the BandAids off was going to sting. He was willing to take responsibility, and the unfavorable legacy that would have undoubtedly accompanied it, in order to get the job done.
 
Billionaires backed the Bolsheviks. Billionaires are always globalists with no allegience to anything or anyone other than their own game. Billionaires are always socialists. You sure that's the the role you want to adopt on this forum?

Oh, yeah, I want to sit back for another four years of seeing my freedom GUTTED. Four more years of another bankster stooge working to destroy the United States. For more years of wars of aggression and NATO colonization. You'd like that, eh? Of course, you would.
 
It's funny to me that all you people who have been following Ron Paul for months and years now, somehow would now change everything you've come to know about him, in order to secure some personal gratification in the form of helping his son.

This is just not Ron Paul. To believe this, you would have to hold an extremely shallow view of what this revolution is about.

I want to believe that, but I dont think it's true. I think that 60% of us will return to apathy. The other 40% will be divided. Some will go Libertarian, some will go GOP, some will go Dem, and some will go to other little third parties. I hope I'm wrong, but I've seen how much support the RP Revolution has given to other LIberty Candidates, and I don't find it at all encouraging.

I hope that you guys that think I'm the dumbest bitch to walk the face of the planet are right, and that I'm dead wrong. But if I'm not, I'm really going to miss you guys. I hope you all go on to have happy, successful lives.
 
Some Historical Perspective for Ron Paul Activists
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on May 15, 2012 12:47 AM

I've been somewhat surprised by the absolutely hysterical reaction among some RP activists to Ron Paul's announcement that he's shifting resources toward winning more delegates instead of blowing it on straw polls in new primaries. In some of the forums, alleged "supporters" are hurling insults at both Ron and his staffers.

I remember how after 2008, some people I talked to pledged to "never give money ever again" to Ron Paul because he "wasn't serious" about winning. These people think elections are all that matter, but that's not how political and intellectual movements work. The election of numerous libertarian candidates will be a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator, of the success of a libertarian movement. The population still isn't there. Although it will be.

It's absolutely unbelievable that some people who claim to be champions of freedom are now viciously badmouthing a man who can claim much credit in making libertarianism a household word — as it now is — and has been instrumental in building the most important challenge to central banking and the warfare state in a century. All of this is in addition to taking control of the GOP machinery in numerous states and cong. districts.

I might also note that I turned on the tele the other day and there was Ron Paul talking about central banking. Note to newcomer activists: I know it's hard to believe, but before RP's 2008 run, there was once a time when libertarians weren't on TV regularly talking about Austrian free-market economics and the evils of war. I swear it's true. Cross my heart and hope to die.

Politically, Ron Paul is doing what the Religious Right successfully did 20 years ago when it became a major force in the party, and he's rebuilding the intellectual infrastructure of the American right wing in a way similar to what Buckley did in the 1950s. Except, where Buckley only pretended to be for the rule of law and limited government, Ron Paul is the real thing. And Paul's even doing it without CIA money, unlike Buckley. RP's the continuation of the old libertarian movement that existed in opposition to war and the New Deal before it was hijacked by the conservative apologists for the state.

Except now, instead of being composed of a few dozen guys who could all have met in a small hotel ballroom, the movement for peace and freedom is a huge nationwide movement.

Anyone who, like me, teaches people in their twenties can already see a huge change. The ideas of libertarianism have a credibility they have not had in decades, if not not since the late 19th century when Herbert Spencer was a best-selling author in America.

Those of us who have been involved in the libertarian movement for more than ten years can see a huge difference, and those who have been around for decades undoubtedly see even more. Nevertheless, I can understand that a younger person, or a person who has never been politically active before, might view one presidential election as some kind of end-all-be-all of the freedom movement, but it's not.

The Ron Paul phenomenon isn't even close to being done re-shaping the American political landscape, yet amazingly, some people seem to think that not running TV ads in California somehow signifies a lack of seriousness on the part of the Paul campaign. Only a complete lack of experience and historical perspective could lead one to such conclusions.
 
First and foremost, I've never been a fan of Benton's. I think his strategy is a little different than both Ron's and Doug's. However, I think the email may have been a small blessing in disguise. I'm hoping it causes some potential Romney delegates to not go to conventions or just not go to Tampa.

That being said, I've stated since 2007 Benton was an incompetent idiot.

Isn't he married to one of RP's grand daughters?
 
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