Reasonable Argument: Think the Campaign Made Some Deals?

[phill4paul]

+R.E.P

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[WesSeid]

if they made a deal, it is probably to include some of RP's positions like monetary policy, detention, and internet freedom. I think the RNC is starting to realize that the libertarian strain in the Republican constituency is strong and possibly the way to the future. It is painful to think that there was deal made (even though for the good) but .. i don't know ... i just feel drained.

Include some of RP's positions where? When? Romney's going to suddenly push for an audit of The Fed? Romney's going to flip flop and say NDAA sucks?

Makes me think of all those "raise taxes now, cut spending later" deals where the second part of the deal never happens.

 

[slacker921]

They should defend us, particularly in OK.

The fact that the Paul campaign isn't helping the delegates in OK who went through all the trouble of holding a rump convention speaks volumes. If the Paul campaign didn't want Paul supporters to go the distance then they should have been there to guide them. They weren't, and now they're distancing themselves from the delegates.

Jesse - You all raised over $30,000,000 and you can't hire a few attorneys and parliamentarians to go help at each state convention?

 

[thoughtomator]

The Ron Paul campaign does not have the authority nor the ability to make a deal on our behalf and RP himself would be the first to note that. A Rand Paul VP nomination won't get too many liberty lovers to vote for the fascist Romney. And besides, it's about as likely that Obama will name Rand as his VP candidate as it is that Romney would, TPTB would not allow a liberty politician to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

 

[devil21]

I need to hear something from Ron himself at this point. Tired of emails, listening to Benton and Wead blogs and a bunch of other people I don't give a shit about. I'm not campaigning for Benton or Wead.

It's very curious to me that Ron himself hasn't put out a single video lately after being very involved in videos last election.

 

[Jordan Liberty]

Honestly, if Rand or Ron were Romney's running mate I still don't see myself voting for that ticket. What real power does the VP really have anyway? especially since Romney is so different from our philosophy. I'm just hoping Ben Swann is right about delegates being all unbound. Then maybe we can surprise Ron himself at the National Convention. I know his campaign is about a movement but after Ben's report and the good news coming out of state conventions I had high hopes. Jesse Benton admitting defeat does not inspire the grassroots but we should continue fighting and prove the campaign wrong.

 

[Liberty74]

THIS

I am not convinced that Romeny can win.

According to the latest polls, Romney is winning by 8 points and has reached the 50% mark. Women are now favoring him over Obama. There is nothing going good for Obama. It's hard to win on a crappy record and still a bad economy.

 

[MelissaCato]

What is happening to us ... gezzz

 

[69360]

If they cut a deal for Ron or Rand as VP, I'll vote for Romney.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Who knows?

 

[Maltheus]

Wow! How far this forum has come. This is nothing for Benton. He's done and said far worse in the past and whenever anyone would bring it up here, we'd get slammed by the trust-monkeys and the thread would get banished to hot topics.

They have been trying to make a deal ever since Iowa. This isn't really news. Hell, our campaign coordinator even on let it slip that they might want us to vote for Romney. That and his back door dealings with Benton and the Rand people out here, led to a revolt against the campaign. Actually, it was mostly that Holdridge/Benton was telling our people to vote for hard-core-anti-Paul-Santorum supporters and not the "fake" slate with the ACTUAL Ron Paul supporters on it.

Don't know how much Ron is clued into what's going on, but the people working for him are a corrupt pack of liars. They did nothing for us here in Colorado except drive a wedge between the local liberty groups. The fact that Rand seems to have some sort of bond with them is why I won't be supporting him, the next time around. I trust Ron Paul. That does not mean I have blind trust for everyone in his orbit and it seems many in this movement need to learn this the hard way.

 

[surf]

i hate to say it, but "platform positions" don't mean shit. we could have a platform position that says "no war w/o a declaration of war" and it wouldn't mean a damn thing to Romeny or all but a few congrressmen (Paul, Amash, Jones and... anyone else?).

not certain whether ds had positions on Guantanemo or ending Iraq or civil liberties in their platform, but these promises were all ignored as well.

in 2008 the RPers at the state convention in Spokane, WA adopted an antiwar platform plank (when all the McWar guys got angry and left). somewhow it never made it into any written platform and all of our republican represeentatives remain warmongers.

 

[Demigod]

RP is 77 years old.He gets all of his news from his campaign team and as you can see they most probably have a deal on the side.

Now you can either fall into apathy go home say f**k it and just do what you do every day 24/7 until you die or you can go out win as many delegates or even try to take your state party.There are thousands of people like RP who would not brake their principles after being elected all you need to do is recognize them when they show up.

 

[pen_thief]

I actually could see it being the opposite way around.

Back in October or November the Romney camp probably spoke to the Paul camp about Rand being VP(as suspected).... now they are probably saying 'get out, or Rand's future in this party is over'.

I really hope it isn't the case, the worst thing the campaign can do to the movement is sell out.

It's possible, but I would hope Ron Paul wouldn't cave to such threats. After all, I would think it's ultimately the voters who decide when you're finished.

 

[ctiger2]

I wouldn't vote for Romney/Paul (Rand) ticket. I loathe Romney and Rand being on the ticket is worthless IMHO. Look at fucking Biden. The guy is worthless. All VP's are worthless unless you have a completely worthless president W Bush/Cheney going on.

 

[CaptUSA]

Posted in another thread as well...

A deal?? Unlikely.

However, both campaigns have been open about how they speak to eachother. I'm sure there have been overtures going both ways. The campaign has become pragmatic about their chances. They also understand the power we are building. When it comes down to how to effectively use this power, I'm sure Ron Paul wants it used to maximum efficacy while being respectful to the GOP and the Romney campaign.

I would expect that if we are able to control ourselves, there will be many overtures made towards us. Romney's camp will be trying to bring us in. To many, this will look like some pre-fabricated "deal", but it will be pragmatism on the part of the Romney camp.

Remember, we are engaged in a revolution of ideas. However, the first part of this includes fixing the Republican party. I suspect Paul's campaign is working extremely hard on devising plans to do just that.

This convention will be gruesome to watch, but the party will be reborn in the cause of liberty. Once that happens, elections will follow. And they will follow and follow. Eventually, even the Democrats will be arguing about how to cut the size of government and restore liberty. I know this fight is longer than many of you may wish, but we are witnessing the beginning of a new American era.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Wow! How far this forum has come. This is nothing for Benton. He's done and said far worse in the past and whenever anyone would bring it up here, we'd get slammed by the trust-monkeys and the thread would get banished to hot topics.

They have been trying to make a deal ever since Iowa. This isn't really news. Hell, our campaign coordinator even on let it slip that they might want us to vote for Romney. That and his back door dealings with Benton and the Rand people out here, led to a revolt against the campaign. Actually, it was mostly that Holdridge/Benton was telling our people to vote for hard-core-anti-Paul-Santorum supporters and not the "fake" slate with the ACTUAL Ron Paul supporters on it.

Don't know how much Ron is clued into what's going on, but the people working for him are a corrupt pack of liars. They did nothing for us here in Colorado except drive a wedge between the local liberty groups. The fact that Rand seems to have some sort of bond with them is why I won't be supporting him, the next time around. I trust Ron Paul. That does not mean I have blind trust for everyone in his orbit and it seems many in this movement need to learn this the hard way.

I trust Ron Paul...
...but the people working for him are a corrupt pack of liars.

Something about your post doesn't smell right.
Rand Paul 2016!!!

 

[sailingaway]

RP is 77 years old.He gets all of his news from his campaign team and as you can see they most probably have a deal on the side.

Now you can either fall into apathy go home say f**k it and just do what you do every day 24/7 until you die or you can go out win as many delegates or even try to take your state party.

agree

There are thousands of people like RP who would not brake their principles after being elected all you need to do is recognize them when they show up.

Where?

Disagree.

 

[Matthanuf06]

I wouldn't vote for Romney/Paul (Rand) ticket. I loathe Romney and Rand being on the ticket is worthless IMHO. Look at fucking Biden. The guy is worthless. All VP's are worthless unless you have a completely worthless president W Bush/Cheney going on.

Rand being on the ticket is his main chance to beat out Rubio

 

[rp2012win]

Rand being on the ticket is his main chance to beat out Rubio

The establishment and their media wingnuts have already hand picked rubio for 2016. They've been feeding the public a steady dose of rubio for months now so the public can begin the brainwashing process. I'd never heard of the guy until a few months ago. Your right that Rand as VP pick would be huge for 2016. It will take a massive undertaking to beat establishment rubio. The media has clinton vs rubio 2016.

 

[Tyler_Durden]

Doesn't Benton throwing our OK people under the bus STINK of running with the establishment line?

Delegates: You don't have to follow the campaign agenda. Benton doesn't give you orders, and he can't deliver you to anyone. Pass a motion to kick him out of the convention if you have to!

I don't recall ever receiving an email from Benton this entire Campaign. Yet, he sends one the day after Dr. Paul issues a strategy shift. The whole thing seems odd and suspect to me. Not sure what to make of it and/or what I think about Benton right now.....