Reason Magazine supports forced vaccinations; "no libertarian case for vaccine refusal"

The choice to be a shitty parent is free to libertarianism? You would think that exposing the child you're responsible for to the possibility of a deadly, preventable disease would be considered a terrible idea by anyone with common sense.
 
Sanguine said:
The choice to be a shitty parent is free to libertarianism? You would think that exposing the child you're responsible for to the possibility of a deadly, preventable disease would be considered a terrible idea by anyone with common sense.
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Youre so right. I would be such a shitty parent if I didnt obey the Govt. I definitely should obey and give my kids Autism, or at least cause them to die from an allergic reaction to a vaccine. It is better that my children possibly suffer and / or die than to be a Libertarian where I'd consider the consequences of my actions for myself. Its better / easier to require someone else to think for me. Its better to send my kids to Public School than to Homeschool because Im a Libertarian Dumbfuck and cant teach my children either basic math, or complex mathematical algorhythms, or history, chemistry, and everything else that is someone elses decree that I am unqualified to do. Apparently, I need permission to think, and to raise my kids, and to feed my kids healthier food. My children should also report me to the schools if I happen to own a gun legally. Oh, and that same school should know whether or not Im a self proclaimed Conservative, or a Liberal. They should stick cameras in every room in my house for my safety. They should put an RFID Tracking Chip into the bodies of my children so they can keep getting Federal Bribery / Blackmail Money because printing money and throwing money at problems always solves the problems itself and never ever creates either the potential for abuse, or actual abuse. I should have voted for Robamaney. I should always vote to put my financial burdens on someone else. I should get Obamacare so everyone else can pay for my Health Care Insurance. I should not expect to receive Treatment, even if I have Obamacare Insurance. I am so stupid, please forgive me for believing that Non Aggression Principles apply not only to War but to my own Children. I was so wrong.

And all it took to awaken me to the Truths of Socialism was your wonderful claim that Im a shitty parent if I believe in Libertarianism.

The expression of your ideas shows that you have absolutely no respect for the Rights of others. I also fear that the only way that you will ever start to think for yourself is to suffer the abuses for yourself or on your family.
 
every person, perhaps partially affected by genetics, has different detox-abilities to heavy metals sometimes contained in various types of treatments, tooth fillings, including vaccines.

i have two autistic cousins in our extended family, preach all you want, but if there's some association down the road 15 years from now, even minor ones of a 3% correlation, which is already statistically significant because that's higher than how they qualified aspirin as heart attack prevention, what would you do then, jump off a cliff in shame because of the indirect harm you do propagandizing against people who now have autism because of it? once having an autistic kid it's essentially a burden for life, it's not something do gooders can compensate and repent for if they ever turn out wrong. same old saying--mind your own fucking business and try being a real libertarian for once. don't like it, try to have your neighborhood mandate it and stay the fuck out of states or places that have people you feel are of danger to you, but don't try to legislate me from two thousand miles away, fuck you
 
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There are sometimes when Bad Batches of Street Drugs go around. Once in a while, certain types of Foods are contaminated with Samonella and other baddies. Why are Vaccines somehow Immune to having the occasional Bad Batch?
 
DamianTV said:
Youre so right. I would be such a shitty parent if I didnt obey the Govt. I definitely should obey and give my kids Autism, or at least cause them to die from an allergic reaction to a vaccine. It is better that my children possibly suffer and / or die than to be a Libertarian where I'd consider the consequences of my actions for myself. Its better / easier to require someone else to think for me. Its better to send my kids to Public School than to Homeschool because Im a Libertarian Dumbfuck and cant teach my children either basic math, or complex mathematical algorhythms, or history, chemistry, and everything else that is someone elses decree that I am unqualified to do. Apparently, I need permission to think, and to raise my kids, and to feed my kids healthier food. My children should also report me to the schools if I happen to own a gun legally. Oh, and that same school should know whether or not Im a self proclaimed Conservative, or a Liberal. They should stick cameras in every room in my house for my safety. They should put an RFID Tracking Chip into the bodies of my children so they can keep getting Federal Bribery / Blackmail Money because printing money and throwing money at problems always solves the problems itself and never ever creates either the potential for abuse, or actual abuse. I should have voted for Robamaney. I should always vote to put my financial burdens on someone else. I should get Obamacare so everyone else can pay for my Health Care Insurance. I should not expect to receive Treatment, even if I have Obamacare Insurance. I am so stupid, please forgive me for believing that Non Aggression Principles apply not only to War but to my own Children. I was so wrong.

And all it took to awaken me to the Truths of Socialism was your wonderful claim that Im a shitty parent if I believe in Libertarianism.

The expression of your ideas shows that you have absolutely no respect for the Rights of others. I also fear that the only way that you will ever start to think for yourself is to suffer the abuses for yourself or on your family.
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Vaccines don't give you autism. Andrew Wakefield, the chief researcher behind the study purporting that lie, was patenting a vaccine design and trying to get it passed. You see, it's not that I believe in government that I say anti-vaccers are idiots, it's because you people will believe anything you want to hear. You just want to hear all about how the government suddenly cares about your kid.

But of course, because I advocate being a decent human being, I MUST support the surveillance state, and Obamacare, and partisanship, and whatever the fuck else you said. By all means, strawman me for telling you that you're a terrible person for exposing your child to infectious diseases for no goddamn reason other than the fact that you'll really believe anything you hear. After all, that's why you pay attention to InfoWars, right? Gotta keep the lies going, or Mr. Jones won't have another million dollars by the end of the year!

And for the record, yeah it makes you a shitty parent, if you listen to some random knob that was thoroughly discredited by everyone and their mother, especially over years of study and the dramatically reduced instances of diseases. Neg rep me all you want, but if you put your child at risk because you like to pretend in a fake conspiracies, then you're either incredibly stupid, or a monumental asshole for neglecting your kid.
 
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PRB said:
That's the question, where DO antivaxxers get their information from if not Wakefield, McCarthy, Inforwars, Naturalnews, vaclib?
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CDC's website, pharmaceutical inserts & pharmaceutical companies' websites...and first hand experience with a broken system.

Information is there if one takes blinders off. Btw, I was a vaccine proponent prior to experiencing adverse reactions first hand with my own children. I was one of those parents that would shake their head in slight disgust when hearing about a parent (or individual) that did not vaccinate or chose a delayed schedule. Irony. Took me a while to "wake up", research on my own, and digest what was happening. I trusted the vaccine system and my doctors without question until the first hand evidence was too much to ignore. Then I still went to the CDC and pharmaceutical companies' websites for answers.
 
bj72 said:
CDC's website, pharmaceutical inserts & pharmaceutical companies' websites...and first hand experience with a broken system.

Information is there if one takes blinders off. Btw, I was a vaccine proponent prior to experiencing adverse reactions first hand with my own children. I was one of those parents that would shake their head in slight disgust when hearing about a parent (or individual) that did not vaccinate or chose a delayed schedule. Irony. Took me a while to "wake up", research on my own, and digest what was happening. I trusted the vaccine system and my doctors without question until the first hand evidence was too much to ignore. Then I still went to the CDC and pharmaceutical companies' websites for answers.
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Hey, your family must be another 1-in-a-million case. Just like my family and a couple others I know.

My first knowledge of vaccine dangers came from my sister's vaccine-induced seizures... not any conspiracy websites or celebrities.
 
bj72 said:
CDC's website, pharmaceutical inserts & pharmaceutical companies' websites...and first hand experience with a broken system.

Information is there if one takes blinders off. Btw, I was a vaccine proponent prior to experiencing adverse reactions first hand with my own children. I was one of those parents that would shake their head in slight disgust when hearing about a parent (or individual) that did not vaccinate or chose a delayed schedule. Irony. Took me a while to "wake up", research on my own, and digest what was happening. I trusted the vaccine system and my doctors without question until the first hand evidence was too much to ignore. Then I still went to the CDC and pharmaceutical companies' websites for answers.
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what were the symptoms?
 
rambone said:
Hey, your family must be another 1-in-a-million case. Just like my family and a couple others I know.

My first knowledge of vaccine dangers came from my sister's vaccine-induced seizures... not any conspiracy websites or celebrities.
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how did you conclude in the first place they were vaccine induced?
 
PRB said:
how did you conclude in the first place they were vaccine induced?
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When someone keels over in the exam room and starts seizing after a shot, it doesn't take a panel of pharma reps to confirm what happened.

As I mentioned earlier, the expert in the room tried to blame her breakfast. She'd never had a seizure before walking into that office at age 22.
 
If only 1 out of a million suffer from some thing that may help the other million, is it right to force that 1 to suffer for the others?
 
ClydeCoulter said:
If only 1 out of a million suffer from some thing that may help the other million, is it right to force that 1 to suffer for the others?
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I'll ask you the same question, is it right for the million to suffer for one?
 
PRB said:
I'll ask you the same question, is it right for the million to suffer for one?
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They don't suffer for the 1. They suffer their own genetics/health and from the environment. And, if they want a vaccine, so long as it doesn't cause the disease to spread to those that don't, then fine. Also, notice the "force" that I used.
 
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Sanguine said:
Vaccines don't give you autism. Andrew Wakefield, the chief researcher behind the study purporting that lie, was patenting a vaccine design and trying to get it passed. You see, it's not that I believe in government that I say anti-vaccers are idiots, it's because you people will believe anything you want to hear. You just want to hear all about how the government suddenly cares about your kid.

But of course, because I advocate being a decent human being, I MUST support the surveillance state, and Obamacare, and partisanship, and whatever the fuck else you said. By all means, strawman me for telling you that you're a terrible person for exposing your child to infectious diseases for no goddamn reason other than the fact that you'll really believe anything you hear. After all, that's why you pay attention to InfoWars, right? Gotta keep the lies going, or Mr. Jones won't have another million dollars by the end of the year!

And for the record, yeah it makes you a shitty parent, if you listen to some random knob that was thoroughly discredited by everyone and their mother, especially over years of study and the dramatically reduced instances of diseases. Neg rep me all you want, but if you put your child at risk because you like to pretend in a fake conspiracies, then you're either incredibly stupid, or a monumental asshole for neglecting your kid.
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It is You that is full of bullshit.

I have never been vaccinated and I will never vaccinate my family. Disease is fought naturally from by the body and can be overcome with proper nutrition when the natural anti-bodies are allowed to form. Vaccinations kill that process and destroy the bodies ability to fight disease.

And, yes, you do believe in government if you believe the vaccine propaganda. The truth is hidden on purpose, just like JFK, 911, ME Wars etc. And I didn't learn anything about health from Jones- so don't even go there.
 
DamianTV said:
Youre so right. I would be such a shitty parent if I didnt obey the Govt. I definitely should obey and give my kids Autism, or at least cause them to die from an allergic reaction to a vaccine. It is better that my children possibly suffer and / or die than to be a Libertarian where I'd consider the consequences of my actions for myself. Its better / easier to require someone else to think for me. Its better to send my kids to Public School than to Homeschool because Im a Libertarian Dumbfuck and cant teach my children either basic math, or complex mathematical algorhythms, or history, chemistry, and everything else that is someone elses decree that I am unqualified to do. Apparently, I need permission to think, and to raise my kids, and to feed my kids healthier food. My children should also report me to the schools if I happen to own a gun legally. Oh, and that same school should know whether or not Im a self proclaimed Conservative, or a Liberal. They should stick cameras in every room in my house for my safety. They should put an RFID Tracking Chip into the bodies of my children so they can keep getting Federal Bribery / Blackmail Money because printing money and throwing money at problems always solves the problems itself and never ever creates either the potential for abuse, or actual abuse. I should have voted for Robamaney. I should always vote to put my financial burdens on someone else. I should get Obamacare so everyone else can pay for my Health Care Insurance. I should not expect to receive Treatment, even if I have Obamacare Insurance. I am so stupid, please forgive me for believing that Non Aggression Principles apply not only to War but to my own Children. I was so wrong.

And all it took to awaken me to the Truths of Socialism was your wonderful claim that Im a shitty parent if I believe in Libertarianism.

The expression of your ideas shows that you have absolutely no respect for the Rights of others. I also fear that the only way that you will ever start to think for yourself is to suffer the abuses for yourself or on your family.
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Truly, you are a Model Citizen. We mere mundanes have much to learn from thee.
 
From this thread on forced sterilizations of female prisoners in California.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Sterilized-To-Cut-Welfare-Costs-In-California


anaconda said:
I am flabbergasted. Is this one of those prank hoax articles? How is this any more "Constitutional" than slavery once was? How is this not "cruel and unusual?"
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Nope, real...and so is the SCROTUS ruling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

And look at this gem from Oliver Holmes writing for the 8-1 majority ruling in favor of the forced sterilization of Carrie Buck.

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.

The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.
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Compulsory vaxxers are eugenicists.
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