Reason Magazine supports forced vaccinations; "no libertarian case for vaccine refusal"

[PRB]

It doesn't matter how you feel about scientists or vaccines or whatever.

Bringing up things that the other guy never said (i.e. Wakefield and McCarthy) is a strawman fallacy. Its happened in every single vaccine discussion I've ever had.


Example:

>> YOU DON"T LIKE VACCINES HUH? WHY DO YOU PPL LISTEN TO JENNY MCCARTHY!! WHY DO YOU HATE SCIENCE!?

>> No, actually its because vaccines injured my sister. I never anything about that woman. And I have spent my career in a science-based field. Thanks.

That's the question, where DO antivaxxers get their information from if not Wakefield, McCarthy, Inforwars, Naturalnews, vaclib?

 

[donnay]

That's the question, where DO antivaxxers get their information from if not Wakefield, McCarthy, Inforwars, Naturalnews, vaclib?

International Medical Council on Vaccination
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/

Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate!
http://homefirst.com/cms/index.php/health-info/vaccine-choice

Vaccine News and Information from Dr. Joseph Mercola
http://vaccines.mercola.com/

The Killer Vaccines: An Honest Physician Warns of Serious Dangers
http://w3.newsmax.com/blaylock/1.cfm

The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-Up by Russell Blaylock
http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html

Vaccines
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vaccines.html

THE MEDICAL TIME BOMB OF IMMUNIZATION AGAINST DISEASE
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/mendelsohn.html

Doctors Speak - Vaccination Risk Awareness Network
http://vran.org/about-vaccines/general-issues/doctors-speak/

Vaccines and Neurological Damage
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm

Saying No to Vaccines: A Resource Guide for All Ages
http://www.amazon.com/Saying-No-Vaccines-Resource-Guide/dp/0979091047

Murder by Injection: The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America
http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Injection-Medical-Conspiracy-Against/dp/0880606940

Rockefeller Medicine Men: Medicine and Capitalism in America
http://www.amazon.com/Rockefeller-M...950&sr=1-1&keywords=Rockerfeller+medicine+men

 

[RJB]

That's the question, where DO antivaxxers get their information from if not Wakefield, McCarthy, Inforwars, Naturalnews, vaclib?

I received the bulk of my info from MY OWN BODY. The sickest I've ever been have been after vaccinations, and it's not from placebo effect. Because at the time, I thought they were good for me.

Reading Naturalnews just confirms what I should have known after my first bad reaction.

 

[PRB]

International Medical Council on Vaccination
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/

Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate!
http://homefirst.com/cms/index.php/health-info/vaccine-choice

Vaccine News and Information from Dr. Joseph Mercola
http://vaccines.mercola.com/

The Killer Vaccines: An Honest Physician Warns of Serious Dangers
http://w3.newsmax.com/blaylock/1.cfm

The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-Up by Russell Blaylock
http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html

Vaccines
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vaccines.html

THE MEDICAL TIME BOMB OF IMMUNIZATION AGAINST DISEASE
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/mendelsohn.html

Doctors Speak - Vaccination Risk Awareness Network
http://vran.org/about-vaccines/general-issues/doctors-speak/

Vaccines and Neurological Damage
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm

Saying No to Vaccines: A Resource Guide for All Ages
http://www.amazon.com/Saying-No-Vaccines-Resource-Guide/dp/0979091047

Murder by Injection: The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America
http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Injection-Medical-Conspiracy-Against/dp/0880606940

Rockefeller Medicine Men: Medicine and Capitalism in America
http://www.amazon.com/Rockefeller-M...950&sr=1-1&keywords=Rockerfeller+medicine+men

Of these links, which actually have ONE peer reviewed study that isn't discredited, like Wakefield's? I want quality, not quantity. So yes, ONE good site or article would be better than 100 sites (because anybody can copy another site's information)

 

[PRB]

I received the bulk of my info from MY OWN BODY. The sickest I've ever been have been after vaccinations, and it's not from placebo effect. Because at the time, I thought they were good for me.

Reading Naturalnews just confirms what I should have known after my first bad reaction.

what vaccine and what symptoms? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just very curious what you are referring to.

 

[donnay]

Of these links, which actually have ONE peer reviewed study that isn't discredited, like Wakefield's? I want quality, not quantity. So yes, ONE good site or article would be better than 100 sites (because anybody can copy another site's information)

Oh you mean peer reviewed papers by doctors and scientist paid by Big pHARMa? That peer reviewed? No conflict of interest there, right? You originally asked; "where DO antivaxxers get their information from if not Wakefield, McCarthy, Inforwars, Naturalnews, vaclib?"

I gave you some of information you asked for. The difference is; the doctors and scientists who have gone off the medical monopoly's reservation are the courageous ones, the minute they do not toe the line (AMA, Big pHARMa, FDA and other bought and paid for organizations by the medical monopoly), they are character assassinated, discredited immediately and banished from the establishment medical monopoly, all for stepping out of the box and critically thinking, by their own observation and researching the information themselves.

 

[PRB]

Oh you mean peer reviewed papers by doctors and scientist paid by Big pHARMa? That peer reviewed?

YES.

No conflict of interest there, right? You originally asked; "where DO antivaxxers get their information from if not Wakefield, McCarthy, Inforwars, Naturalnews, vaclib?"

Yes, and then I realized I asked the wrong question, so I rephrased.

I gave you some of information you asked for. The difference is; the doctors and scientists who have gone off the medical monopoly's reservation are the courageous ones, the minute they do not toe the line (AMA, Big pHARMa, FDA and other bought and paid for organizations by the medical monopoly), they are character assassinated, discredited immediately and banished from the establishment medical monopoly, all for stepping out of the box and critically thinking, by their own observation and researching the information themselves.

Are people who speak out against the establishment always right? Or are they sometimes too, the liars, crooks and just exploiting your doubt and anger for their unotherwise non-existent credibility?

 

[Ender]

YES.



Yes, and then I realized I asked the wrong question, so I rephrased.




Are people who speak out against the establishment always right? Or are they sometimes too, the liars, crooks and just exploiting your doubt and anger for their unotherwise non-existent credibility?

Have some credibility with your natural health hatin'.


There is No Such Thing as a Safe Vaccine and there Never Will Be

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/paul-fassa/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-safe-vaccine/

http://naturalsociety.com/never-be-safe-vaccine-never-will/

 

[amy31416]

Have some credibility with your natural health hatin'.


There is No Such Thing as a Safe Vaccine and there Never Will Be

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/paul-fassa/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-safe-vaccine/


http://naturalsociety.com/never-be-safe-vaccine-never-will/

She's a nephrologist.

 

[Contumacious]

Have some credibility with your natural health hatin'.


There is No Such Thing as a Safe Vaccine and there Never Will Be

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/paul-fassa/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-safe-vaccine/

http://naturalsociety.com/never-be-safe-vaccine-never-will/

So what are the responsibilities of someone who tests (+) for the H1N1 virus?

.

 

[PRB]

She's a nephrologist.

so?

 

[PRB]

So what are the responsibilities of someone who tests (+) for the H1N1 virus?

.

responsibilities are for statists. free people don't owe anybody anything, life is not safe or risk free or fair.

 

[amy31416]

so?

That's a kidney doctor, not an immunologist or epidemiologist. Not an expert on vaccines, and a late-comer to the anti-vax scene. A brief read on her shows her to be more along the lines of a half-baked naturopath who refers to people who don't get vaccines as not believing in God's work/perfection.

 

[PRB]

That's a kidney doctor, not an immunologist or epidemiologist. Not an expert on vaccines, and a late-comer to the anti-vax scene. A brief read on her shows her to be more along the lines of a half-baked naturopath who refers to people who don't get vaccines as not believing in God's work/perfection.

how much is big pharma paying you to spread this credentialist elitism?

 

[Contumacious]

responsibilities are for statists. free people don't owe anybody anything, life is not safe or risk free or fair.

So , you don't mind it if your neighbor sets up a gun range near your property. If you or yours are hit by a projectile , oh well, " life is not safe or risk free or fair".

.

 

[donnay]

She's a nephrologist.

What does that have to do with anything? You don't think the kidneys are affected by vaccines?


Common Vaccine Ingredient Linked To Kidney Injury
Written By: Suzanne Humphries, MD

A June, 2011 New England Journal Of Medicine article titled "Early-Childhood Membranous Nephropathy Due to Cationic Bovine Serum Albumin"[1] recently caught my attention. Namely, because it admits the plausible association between circulating cationic bovine(cow) serum albumin (BSA, a common vaccine ingredient) and a very difficult-to-treat form of kidney disease called idiopathic membranous nephropathy (IMN). Skeptics often demand peer-reviewed articles to support the fact that vaccines cause bodily harm. Often, while we know what we see in front of us, "scientific" proof is non-existent due to lack of motivation by researchers in exploring the likely associations.

Well, here in one of the world’s most respected medical journals lies some very interesting information, and it was conducted by two renowned nephrologists. Dr. Giuseppe Remuzzi is an expert in the field of protein trafficking within the kidney, and Dr. Pierre Ronco is a well-known and highly respected nephrologist.

First, let me explain what nephrotic syndrome and membranous nephropathy are. Nephrotic syndrome is a condition where the kidneys leak large amounts of protein into the urine and is defined in detail HERE. The term just describes a clinical condition that can have one of several causes. This article discusses one cause called membranous nephropathy.

The kidney is composed of millions of microscopic filters that cleanse the blood. This is a schematic of one of those filters.

Approximately one quarter of the blood leaving the heart goes to the kidneys, which filter 140- 180 liters of your blood per day. In health, the kidneys retain your albumin and proteins and filter excess water, toxins and minerals. The filters are composed of membranes that are negatively charged and thus repel negatively charged molecules like your own proteins.

Here is an electron microscope photo of a normal glomerular capillary membrane, the thing that serves as a filter for your blood. It is a close-up photo of the schematic from above.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/common-vaccine-ingredient-linked-kidney-injury

 

[amy31416]

how much is big pharma paying you to spread this credentialist elitism?

Lame attempt at repetitious humor.

Try again, you're boring me.

 

[PRB]

Lame attempt at repetitious humor.

Try again, you're boring me.

it's not my fault that antivaxxers don't give me better material to parrot.

 

[PRB]

So , you don't mind it if your neighbor sets up a gun range near your property. If you or yours are hit by a projectile , oh well, " life is not safe or risk free or fair".

.

I would mind, but it's not my right to prevent him from exercising his freedom. To say otherwise would be criminalizing actions before they harm anybody. Pre-crime much?

 

[amy31416]

it's not my fault that antivaxxers don't give me better material to parrot.

Read up on it more, there's some crazy BS that still surprises me.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/08/28/wielding-religion-as-a-weapon-against-vaccines/