Reason Magazine supports forced vaccinations; "no libertarian case for vaccine refusal"

[angelatc]

I wish there was a web site where the manufacturers of vaccines had all of their inserts in a central location.

http://vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm



I wish there was a web site where parents could post their own anecdotal tales of shooting up their children with poison and what happened afterwards.

http://www.followingvaccinations.com/



Thanks google!

I don't care how much they make - I could never be special ed teacher.



Nobody ever said that vaccines did not have side effects.

Anecdotal evidence is just that - anecdotal.

 

[angelatc]

The fallacies are in yours, dear angelic.

Well, I guess if you have decided you can redefine science then obviously you can redefine fallacies, too.


Let's change it around - wheres some evidence that vaccines do not work?

Where's something that shows measles spreads just as fast, and is just as deadly, in vaccinated populations?

 

[angelatc]

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So you think the flu vaccine will stop this? It was reported that the one man went to the hospital for flu-like symptoms and they gave him medicine and the next thing you know he was on life support and died. Hmm...

Wow - some perfectly healthy person who didn't get the flu vaccine got sick and died from the flu, and somehow you managed to try blame it on a vaccine or the meds they gave him? Did I just see that?

Of course I did. Why it continues to surprise me it the real mystery.


Edited: Just for you, here's a "credible" source that says bird flu causes organ failure : http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bird-flu-causes-brain-damage-multi-organ-failure.html

 

[moostraks]

You think that big pharma is intentionally filling the bodies of children with poison, and that all the governments and universities in the whole wide world are in cahoots with them, but I'm paranoid because when someone says "Well while you are banging your head on the table, I am scratching mine trying to figure out what type of person concerned with live, healthy children would follow your proposed scenario and why it would be necessary to mandate vaccines. " and I see it as an accusation for advocating for forced vaccines, when I've explained my position on that no less than 3 times in this thread alone.



Again, if some people are simply determined to believe that it's somehow better to risk a 1-in-1,000 chance (probably bigger - that's just for measles) instead of a 1-in-a-million chance, then I am perfectly happy letting Darwin's law sort it out eventually.

But if they're going to continually post their lies on a political activism forum with the specific, stated intent of making the babies of the young activists sick, then I'm going to call them out on their bullshit, and I'm not going to promise to be nice about it.

I think there are some nefarious folks who have a eugenics agenda, they are a small number who are callous and selfish and can be found in scientific circles (among other places). I think that corporations are concerned with profit. Would be dumb not to be when running a business and I think they cut corners and bribe people to look the other way or downplay the detrimental effects of their product. This is evidenced in main stream (read that as not natural news conspiracy websites which you like to say are the only sources non-vacc have available) articles such as the ones I referenced in the previous post. This is not paranoid but based upon information from their own words of those who speak of eugenics and evidence of poor quality of product which eventually was brought forth after the fact of the deaths.

In the largest settlement involving a pharmaceutical company, the British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges and pay $3 billion in fines for promoting its best-selling antidepressants for unapproved uses and failing to report safety data about a top diabetes drug, federal prosecutors announced Monday. The agreement also includes civil penalties for improper marketing of a half-dozen other drugs.

The fine against GlaxoSmithKline over Paxil, Wellbutrin, Avandia and the other drugs makes this year a record for money recovered by the federal government under its so-called whistle-blower law, according to a group that tracks such numbers.

In May, Abbott Laboratories settled for $1.6 billion over its marketing of the antiseizure drug Depakote. And an agreement with Johnson & Johnson that could result in a fine of as much as $2 billion is said to be imminent over its off-label promotion of an antipsychotic drug, Risperdal...

The settlement, which requires court approval, stems from claims made by four employees of GlaxoSmithKline, including a former senior marketing development manager for the company and a regional vice president, who tipped off the government about a range of improper practices from the late 1990s to the mid-2000s.

Prosecutors said the company had tried to win over doctors by paying for trips to Jamaica and Bermuda, as well as spa treatments and hunting excursions. In the case of Paxil, prosecutors claim GlaxoSmithKline employed several tactics aimed at promoting the use of the drug in children, including helping to publish a medical journal article that misreported data from a clinical trial.

A warning was later added to the drug that Paxil, like other antidepressants, might increase the risk of suicidal thoughts in teenagers. Prosecutors said the company had marketed Wellbutrin for conditions like weight loss and sexual dysfunction when it was approved only to treat major depressive disorder.

They said that in the case of Avandia, whose use was severely restricted in 2010 after it was linked to heart risks, the company had failed to report data from studies detailing the safety risks to the F.D.A...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/b...-in-fraud-settlement.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Glaxo would be the folks that make these:

We produce more than 30 prescribed vaccines worldwide to prevent potentially life-threatening or crippling illnesses such as hepatitis A, hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus, woophing cough, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, typhoid, influenza and bacterial meningitis.

http://www.gsk.com/products/our-vaccines.html

And Abbott Labs had a flu vaccine sector: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703279704575335051095048906

But they wouldn't bribe anyone when it comes to vaccines. They are completely changed since these actions occurred.

“Whilst these originate in a different era for the company, they cannot and will not be ignored,” he said in the statement. “On behalf of GSK, I want to express our regret and reiterate that we have learned from the mistakes that were made.”

Trust them...well at least their vaccines.

Oh and that profit margin thingy you keep touting, guess WSJ Business section disagrees with your opinion:

Several big drug companies have invested heavily in new flu-vaccine factories in recent years, in part to try to cash in on pandemic flu viruses, and also because the drug makers see vaccines as an alternative area for growth amid increasing competition for their core drug offerings.

As for your paranoia when reading you were the one who proposed the scenario upon which you are fear mongering your vaccine by choice position. You are the one who said that there could be a "they" who would let loose a disease to mandate vaccines. Your reasoning is because "they" want to see healthy children. There is a disconnect in these statements because people concerned with healthy children would not do as you propose as that takes a certain level of malicious and callous disregard to achieve a goal such as you propose which stems from human concern for healthy children. Maybe you think this would be morally okay as you tout your Darwin theory so you are just projecting? IDK...

 

[PRB]

Well, I guess if you have decided you can redefine science then obviously you can redefine fallacies, too.


Let's change it around - wheres some evidence that vaccines do not work?

Where's something that shows measles spreads just as fast, and is just as deadly, in vaccinated populations?

Conspiracy theorists : experts of redefinition

 

[donnay]

Wow - some perfectly healthy person who didn't get the flu vaccine got sick and died from the flu, and somehow you managed to try blame it on a vaccine or the meds they gave him? Did I just see that?

Of course I did. Why it continues to surprise me it the real mystery.


Edited: Just for you, here's a "credible" source that says bird flu causes organ failure : http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bird-flu-causes-brain-damage-multi-organ-failure.html

Ever heard of biowarfare?

American flu: Chinese colonel says bird flu is really U.S. biological weapon
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...inese-colonel-says-bird-flu-really-/?page=all

Here's What Happens When You Get Bird Flu
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happens-h7n9-bird-flu-infection-2013-4#ixzz2nxJ2LquM

 

[angelatc]

I think there are some nefarious folks who have a eugenics agenda, they are a small number who are callous and selfish and can be found in scientific circles (among other places). .

Even if that's true, that does not mean that vaccines cause massive numbers of horrible side effects , or that they are an effective tool in the control and spread of communicable diseases.

If you can prove that vaccines don't actually reduce the odds of catching the diseases, I'd like to see that.

Or we could go back to the discussion about the significant adverse effects being under-reported. You've got time to dig out links, why not dig out the links I said I was having trouble locating?

 

[angelatc]

I. This is not paranoid but based upon information from their own words of those who speak of eugenics and evidence of poor quality of product which eventually was brought forth after the fact of the deaths.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/b...-in-fraud-settlement.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

All I saw was that GSK was fined for marketing their products for off label uses, which was illegal.

Not sure why you think that means vaccines don't work....

 

[angelatc]

Oh and that profit margin thingy you keep touting, guess WSJ Business section disagrees with your opinion:

Several big drug companies have invested heavily in new flu-vaccine factories in recent years, in part to try to cash in on pandemic flu viruses, and also because the drug makers see vaccines as an alternative area for growth amid increasing competition for their core drug offerings.

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It wasn't an opinion. It was a fact. Read what I said again, in the context at the time. We were talking about childhood immunizations. You said it was all about the profit. I said that wasn't true for the older vaccines, because the patents had all expired. I specifically said it that way because I am fully aware that the new vaccines are profitable.

The WSJ is talking about the new vaccines, flu vaccines in particular, which can still command premium prices because patents are still in effect. Which is what I would have reiterated, if you had questioned me about it at the time.

Check this out, circa 2005. Right about the time that they new vaccine research started taking off again:

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/24/3/622.full

During the past fifty years, the number of pharmaceutical companies making vaccines has decreased dramatically, and those that still make vaccines have reduced resources to make new ones. Pharmaceutical companies are gradually abandoning vaccines because the research, development, testing, and manufacture of vaccines are expensive and because the market to sell vaccines is much smaller than the market for other drug products.


More at the link

 

[angelatc]

Ever heard of biowarfare?

If you think it's biowarfare, then you should definitely get the shot.

 

[PRB]

If the science was not relevant, we wouldn't be bombarded with daily posts darkly asserting that it's all a Big Lie, and that there's poison in them thar vaccines.

but that's because vaccines still aren't forced, but are probably about to be. people who believe they can and still ought to refuse them, don't need to know whether vaccines work.

 

[Ender]

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/

Very detailed history about smallpox vacs:

Here's a snippet:

Dr. L. A. Parry. He raised a number of questions:

How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated?

How is it that, as the percentage of people vaccinated has steadily fallen (from 85% in 1870 to about 40% in 1925), the number of people attacked with variola has declined pari passu and the case mortality has progressively lessened? The years of least vaccination have been the years of least smallpox and of least mortality.

How is that in some of our best vaccinated towns “” for example Bombay and Calcutta “” smallpox is rife, whilst in some of our worst vaccinated towns, such as Leicester, it is almost unknown?

How is it that something like 80% of the cases admitted into the Metropolitan Asylum Board smallpox hospitals have been vaccinated whilst only 20% have not been vaccinated?

How is it that in Germany, the best vaccinated country in the world, there are more deaths in proportion to the population than in England — for example, in 1919, 28 deaths in England, 707 in Germany; in 1920, 30 deaths in England, 354 in Germany. In Germany, in 1919 there were 5,012 cases of smallpox with 707 deaths; in England in 1925 there were 5,363 cases of smallpox with 6 deaths. What is the explanation?

Is it possible to explain the lessened incidence and fatality of smallpox on the same grounds as the lessened incidence and fatality of other infectious fevers “” namely, as due to improved hygiene and administrative control?

- See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2...gins-of-vaccine-madness/#sthash.04hqKRlv.dpuf

 

[angelatc]

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/

Very detailed history about smallpox vacs:

Here's a snippet:

So the guy who doesn't believe that vaccines work because "scientific" evidence always changes is going back 100 years to make a case proving...what? That he has to cherry pick to make a point?

I have a link, too: http://whqlibdoc.who.int/smallpox/9241561106_chp6.pdf


Here's a snippet from your link:

How is it that in Germany, the best vaccinated country in the world, there are more deaths in proportion to the population than in England — for example, in 1919, 28 deaths in England, 707 in Germany; in 1920, 30 deaths in England, 354 in Germany. In Germany, in 1919 there were 5,012 cases of smallpox with 707 deaths; in England in 1925 there were 5,363 cases of smallpox with 6 deaths. What is the explanation? -

Meaning, why aren't more people dying, like they used to?

Cut through the chase, Ender. How is it that smallpox is now totally eradicated? Did we pray it away, or what?

 

[PRB]

So the guy who doesn't believe that vaccines work because "scientific" evidence always changes is going back 100 years to make a case proving...what? That he has to cherry pick to make a point?


Cut through the chase, Ender. How is it that smallpox is now totally eradicated? Did we pray it away, or what?

it proves that because science isn't always right, then everybody is free to cherry pick what he wants to believe and he can always be certain he's as right as science which is not always right.

 

[Ender]

So the guy who doesn't believe that vaccines work because "scientific" evidence always changes is going back 100 years to make a case proving...what? That he has to cherry pick to make a point?


Cut through the chase, Ender. How is it that smallpox is now totally eradicated? Did we pray it away, or what?

Obviously you, the high priestess of "read the article, stupid!" did not read the article, or you would not be asking this question.

Read it and then we shall discuss.

 

[Ender]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/09/round-2-cdcs-poul-thorsen-lying-in-plain-sight.html

Here is an autism site that shows the man who was "in charge" of proving autism was not vax related, lied, embezzled money from the companies who hired him, is on the US hit list, on the run, and hiding so as not to be extradited.

 

[angelatc]

Obviously you, the high priestess of "read the article, stupid!" did not read the article, or you would not be asking this question.

Read it and then we shall discuss.

The noise has been posted before, albeit with a different title, and we've thrashed it soundly. Start here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...t-Cases-In-17-Years&highlight=smallpox+jenner


Oh, are you going to tell me that monkey pox is really just another name for smallpox? That seems to be where your article landed.

 

[angelatc]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/09/round-2-cdcs-poul-thorsen-lying-in-plain-sight.html

Here is an autism site that shows the man who was "in charge" of proving autism was not vax related, lied, embezzled money from the companies who hired him, is on the US hit list, on the run, and hiding so as not to be extradited.

Fallacy: Poisoning the well. Whether or not he committed fraud with his CDC grant has nothing to do with the quality of the science of the Danish studies that failed to find a link between either the MMR vaccine or thimerosal in vaccines and autism. Thorsen’s fraud didn’t happen until at least a year after the publication of the thimerosal study.

 

[Ender]

Fallacy: Poisoning the well. Whether or not he committed fraud with his CDC grant has nothing to do with the quality of the science of the Danish studies that failed to find a link between either the MMR vaccine or thimerosal in vaccines and autism. Thorsen’s fraud didn’t happen until at least a year after the publication of the thimerosal study.

Ah, good one- the guy embezzled a few million from CDC for his "studies", but that has nothing to do with his otherwise honest findings. Uh. Huh.

AnyHoo-

Many in the professional community believe that diseases are being renamed to cover up the fact that the vaccines are failing and in order to keep up the pretence that diseases have been eradicated. Anla et al reported children being diagnosed with Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS) immediately after polio vaccinations in Turkey. In an article published in Neurology India, (4) Anla reported that five children became ill with GBS following a national oral polio vaccination (OPV) campaign to eradicate the disease in Turkey.

In their discussion they wrote:

In our series all children were younger than 5 years of age. GBS was primarily related to OPV administration in all children except Case 4 in whom a history of viral gastroenteritis was present, which was well known as a triggering factor in the etiology of GBS.[13] When OPV was not given during 1999 we diagnosed only 2 children with GBS who were younger than 5 years of age in our clinic. Though the results are variable and the evidence is not robust, it is essential to consider OPV as a potential trigger for GBS in children, especially during a nationwide campaign and the children should be monitored.

It was observed that the number of cases of GBS in children increased during the period of the oral polio vaccination (OPV) campaign in Turkey, suggesting a causal relationship.

If these children were actually suffering from vaccine induced poliomyelitis, renamed GBS, than it is possible that the vaccine had caused the children to contract the disease. Guillain Barre Syndrome is not the only new name that may have been given to patients developing polio after receiving the polio vaccine. Beddow Bayly author of the book “The Case against Vaccination,” (5) wrote:

After vaccination was introduced, cases of aseptic meningitis were more often reported as a separate disease from polio, but such cases were counted as polio before the vaccine was introduced. The Ministry of Health admitted that the vaccine status of the individual is a guiding factor in diagnosis. If a person who is vaccinated contracts the disease, the disease is simply recorded under a different name.

More recently, in an article entitled 'CDC and Friends Sprinting Towards the Polio “Finish Line,”' by Suzanne Humphries, MD dated June 11, 2012, Dr. Humphries writes:

"The CDC announced on June 8th that they are almost at the finish line of global polio eradication. They’ve not had a case of wild polio since January 13, 2011."

"But they still have plenty of paralysis. In fact they have more and more every year. AND …children with non-polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP), the new name for polio, are at more than twice the risk of dying than those with wild polio infection! In fact, more oral polio vaccine has correlated strongly with “non-polio” AFP."

See: http://www.examiner.com/article/medical-doctor-believes-that-polio-vaccine-does-more-harm-than-good

Smallpox aka Monkeypox?

Dr. Raymond Obomsawin, who holds an M.Sc. and a PhD with concentrations in health science and human ecology, (6) writes:

In turning to recognized textbooks on human virology and vertebrate viruses we find that attention has been given since 1970 to a disease called “monkeypox,” which is said to be “clinically indistinguishable from smallpox.” Cases of this disease have been found in Zaire, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, and Sierra Leone (by May 1983, 101 cases have been reported). It is observed that ” . . . the existence of a virus that can cause clinical smallpox is disturbing, and the situation is being closely monitored.

Whooping Cough Gets A Revamp

Because it has been reported over and over that cases of whooping cough have been diagnosed in fully vaccinated children, professionals have discovered that doctors have been diagnosing whooping cough as croup. One report actually stated that this vaccine failure has actually been admitted. Natural News (7) reported:

Research reported by Reuters reveals that whooping cough outbreaks are HIGHER among vaccinated children compared with unvaccinated children. This is based on a study led by Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California.

Dr Viera Scheibner says:

In the Journal of Infectious Diseases, 1994, “Age Specific Incidence of Bacteriologically Confirmed Pertussis, between 1981 and 1991 – ten year follow-up” (8), The majority of cases occurred in the most vulnerable age group below the age of one year in the most vaccinated children. Actually the majority of cases happened within the first four months. The vaccine is causing whooping cough.

Washington state has one of the highest vaccine exemption rates in the country, but Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials have said that most of the children who have come down with whooping cough were vaccinated. See: http://www.examiner.com/article/the...ic-could-mean-that-the-vaccine-is-not-working

 

[Ender]

9. Polio vaccines and AIDS

SV-40, the cancer-causing monkey virus found in polio vac- cines and administered to millions of unsuspecting people throughout the world, was just one of numerous simian viruses known to have contaminated polio vaccines [38:57,58;93;94]. “As monkey kidney culture is host to innumerable simian viruses, the number found varying in relation to the amount of work expended to find them, the problem presented to the manufacturer is consid- erable, if not insuperable,” one early vaccine researcher wrote to a congressional panel studying the safety of growing live polio-virus vaccine in monkey kidneys [95]. “As our technical methods im- prove we may find fewer and fewer lots of vaccine which can be called free from simian virus [95].”

According to Harvard Medical School professor Ronald Des- rosier, the practice of growing polio vaccines in monkey kidneys is “a ticking time bomb [83:159].” Evidently, some viruses can live inside monkeys without causing harm. But if these viruses were to somehow cross species and enter the human population, new dis- eases could occur. Desrosier continued: “The danger in using monkey tissue to produce human vaccines is that some viruses produced by monkeys may be transferred to humans in the vac- cine, with very bad health consequences [83:159].” Desrosier also warns that testing can only be done for known viruses, and that our knowledge is limited to about “2 percent of existing monkey vi- ruses [83:159].” Craig Engesser, a spokesman for Lederle Labora- tories, a large vaccine manufacturing company, acknowledged that “you can’t test for something if you don’t know it’s there [96].”

Virus detection techniques were crude and unreliable during the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when polio vaccines were initially produced and dispensed. It wasn’t until the mid 1980s that new and more sophisticated testing procedures were developed [84:5;96]. That was when researchers discovered that about 50 percent of all Afri- can green monkeysCthe primate of choice for making polio vac- cinesCwere infected with simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), a virus closely related to human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the infectious agent thought to precede AIDS [97-100]. This caused some researchers to wonder whether HIVs may simply be SIVs “residing in and adapting to a human host [101].” It caused others to suspect that SIV may have mutated into HIV once it was intro- duced into the human population by way of contaminated polio vaccines [59:54+;96-100;102-104].

Vaccine authorities were so concerned about the possibility that SIV was a precursor to HIV, and that polio vaccines were the means of transmission from monkey to human, that The World Health Organization (WHO) convened two meetings of experts in 1985 to explore the data and consider their options [100,105]. Af- ter all, SIV was very similar to HIV and occurred naturally in the monkey species predominantly used by vaccine manufacturers [98,100]. Nevertheless, WHO concluded that the vaccines were safe and insisted that vaccination campaigns should continue un- abated [100,105].

Shortly thereafter, Japanese researchers conducted their own investigation and found that African green monkeys used to pro- duce polio vaccines had antibodies against SIV [106]. The impli- cation was clear: monkeys used to produce polio vaccines were natural carriers of a virus that looked and acted like HIV, the in- fectious agent linked to AIDS. In 1989, they recommended that monkeys infected with SIV not be used to make polio vaccines [106].

In 1990, wild chimpanzees in Africa were found to be infected with a strain of SIV that was nearly identical to HIV [107]. Some researchers called it “the missing link” to the origins of human immunodeficiency virus [108]. And since chimpanzees were used to test viruses for potential use in vaccines, and were kept in cap- tivity by research laboratories, they could have been a source of vaccine contamination [109,110]. Scientific concerns were also heightened when researchers found some West Africans who were infected with an SIV-like virus that was a fundamental twin to HIV. They called it HIV-2, and like the initial HIV subtype, it was implicated in the development of AIDS [111]. According to Robert Gallo, an expert on the AIDS virus, some versions of the SIV monkey virus are virtually indistinguishable from some hu- man variants of HIV: “The monkey virus is the human virus. There are monkey viruses as close to isolates of HIV-2 as HIV-2 isolates are to each other [59:106+].” In May 1991, virus-detection techniques were improved once again, and researchers found SIV DNA in the kidneys of infected monkeys [112]. Minced monkey kidneys were (and still are) used to produce the live polio vaccine [3;59:60]. SIV was also found in the cancer cells of an AIDS vic- tim, and in other people as well [113-115]. To many researchers, this trail of evidence had become too persuasive to deny. Apparently, millions of people were infected with monkey viruses capable of causing AIDS [101], and this cross-species transfer most likely occurred by way of SIV-contaminated polio vaccines [59;84;96-100;102-104;116-119].

10. Didn’t AIDS originate in Africa?

Most historians agree that AIDS originated in Africa [120]. But Salk tested his vaccine in the U.S., and Sabin’s trials were con- ducted in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union [100]. If tainted polio vaccines were responsible for introducing SIV and HIV into humans, why did the initial cases of AIDS show up on this remote continent?

In March 1951, several years before Drs. Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin would scuffle over whose vaccine was the true prophylactic, Dr. Hilary Koprowski announced at a medical conference that he had become the first doctor in history to test a polio vaccine on humans. His “volunteers” included several institutionalized chil- dren with mental handicaps. They drank the vaccine in chocolate milk [121].
From 1957 to 1960, after years of tinkering with monkey kid- neys and polio germs, Koprowski tested his own experimental polio vaccine on 325,000 equatorial Africans, including 75,000 citizens of Leopoldville, Belgian Congo (now Kinshasa, Zaire) [59:59;121]. Called by drums, rural natives traveled to local vil- lages where they had a liquid vaccine squirted into their mouths [122]. Ninety-eight percent of the vaccine recipients were infants and toddlers [121]. The youngest children received 15 times the adult dosage [103:98]. Though Koprowski claimed he had the backing of the World Health Organization, WHO denied sanction- ing the large-scale trials [123].
In 1959, Dr. Albert Sabin reported in the British Medical Jour- nal that Koprowski’s polio vaccine used in the African trials con-
tained an “unidentified” cell-killing virus [124]. It was never iden- tified. However, in 1986 the earliest known blood sample contain- ing antibodies against HIV was traced back to 1959. The serum came from a patient visiting a clinic in Leopoldville [125]. There is no evidence that HIV infected humans before 1959 [126,127]. Gerald Myers, a genetic sequencing expert with Los Alamos Na- tional Laboratories in New Mexico, tracked the evolution of HIV and confirmed that today’s major subtypes of the AIDS virus in humans appear to have arisen as recently as 1960 [128].

Koprowski’s vaccine was not approved for human use, so it was discontinued in 1960 following the African trials [100]. Thus, it was only administered to inhabitants of the Belgian Congo, Rwanda and Burundi [104,121]Cthe precise area where high lev- els of HIV infection were identified by researchers 30 years later [129]. Furthermore, the AIDS virus is known to infect mucous cells, prevalent in the mouth [59:60]. The African vaccines were squirted into people’s mouths. Could squirting an HIV- contaminated polio vaccine into people’s mouths cause AIDS? According to Tom Folks, chief retrovirologist at the CDC, “Any time a person has a lesion in his mouth, then there could be trans- mission” of the virus [59:60]. Dr. Robert Bohannon of Baylor Col- lege of Medicine maintains that the process of squirting the polio vaccine into people’s mouths would tend to aerosolize some of the liquid. Tiny drops could then go directly into the lungs, and from there to the blood cells susceptible to infection [59:60]. This would have been an efficient mode of HIV transmission [100].

Disease experts believe that the average time between HIV infection and the development of AIDS is 8-10 years [100]. If the African polio vaccine was indeed contaminated with SIV/HIV, initial outbreaks of AIDS would have occurred from the mid- 1960s to early 1970s. This period accurately coincides with the emergence of AIDS in equatorial Africa [130].


11. Test the polio vaccines
Authorities are reluctant to acknowledge the possibility that medical scientists, preoccupied with growing polio vaccines in virus-laden monkey kidneys, may have been responsible for bringing about the AIDS pandemic. For example, Dr. David Heymann, who heads the World Health Organization’s Global Program on AIDS, flatly stated that “the origin of the AIDS virus is of no im- portance to science today [59:106+].” William Haseltine, a Har- vard pathology professor and AIDS researcher also believes that any discussion about the origin of AIDS is distracting and nonpro- ductive. “It’s not relevant,” and “I’m not interested in discussing it [59:106+].” Jonas Salk won’t discuss the subject either. He is now working on an AIDS vaccine [59:55]. Albert Sabin believes “you can’t hang Koprowski with that [59:60].” And Koprowski dis- missed the idea with a laugh, then later claimed “this is a highly theoretical situation [59:106+].” However, samples of the polio vaccines used in Africa are kept in freezers at the Wistar Institute where Koprowski did much of his research. They could be tested [59:106+].

Tom Folks of the CDC thinks it’s a good idea to test the seed stocks of polio because “any time we can learn more about the natural history [of AIDS], it helps us understand the pathogenesis and...the transmission [59:106+].” Robert Gallo also thinks it’s important to determine whether a monkey virus sparked AIDS. Questions like this “are of more than academic interest because answering them may help avoid future zoonotic catastrophesCthat is, transmission of disease from lower animals to humans [131].” Responding to these concerns, some AIDS researchers formally requested samples of the original polio vaccine seed stocks. But the government will neither release nor test them because there are “only a small number of vials” of the material, and tests “might use it all up [59:108].”

12. AIDS within the Gay community

If AIDS originated in Africa via contaminated polio vaccines, how did this disease spread to male homosexuals in America? In 1974, clinics in New York and California began experimental treatments for gay men afflicted with herpes. Therapy consisted of multiple doses of the live polio vaccine [132]. As noted earlier, this vaccine was produced in the kidneys of the African Green monkey, a known reservoir for simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), a likely precursor to HIV [59;84;97-104]. Beginning in the early 1980s, simultaneous outbreaks of Kaposi sarcoma and serious opportunistic infections (later associated with AIDS) were reported among homosexual men, especially in New York City, San Francisco, and Los Angeles [99]. This time span coincides with the average incubation period between HIV infection and the development of AIDS [100].

In 1982, the CDC concluded that such outbreaks “strongly suggests the occurrence of a single epidemic of underlying immuno- suppression... [133]” The following year, HIV was identified as the causative agent [99]. And in 1992, Lancet published the first scientific explanation showing how repeated doses of SIV- contaminated polio vaccines may have seeded HIV among Ameri- can homosexual men [99].

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