Raul Grijalva: Tea Party 'Threatening Our Form Of Government'

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I love the title of the Olbermann piece below it:

Keith Olbermann On Arizona Shooting: 'Violence Has No Place In Democracy'

Democracy is violence Kieth.
 
This was my reply to one asshole who had the nerve to compare us to the fascists.

>If the TP are so much for the constituti*on, then why are so many of their beliefs shared with fascism?<

Funny, I didn't know us Ron Paul'ers (ya know, the ones that actually started the modern Tea Party movement) shared beliefs in common with Fascism. So, let's go point-by-point.

>1) Powerful and continuing expression*s of nationalis*m (example: our nation is the greatest in history).<

Wow, you mean like when Dr. Paul stated the reason we were attacked on 9/11 is because of our insidious foreign policy? You know, the foreign policy that President Obama is continuing?

>2) Disdain for human rights (example: demonizing the opposition*).<

Which is nothing like what you are doing, though? Amirite? I mean, its OBVIOUS that Tea Party people like me are Fascists. And please, point to where Dr. Paul has EVER shown disdain for the natural rights of others.

>3) Identifica*tion of scapegoats as the unifying cause (example: when things don't go right blame liberals to distract from our own failures).<

As opposed to the scapegoating by MIAC in 2009 or what is currently being engaged in here? Ya know, the Guilt-by-Association of 1 lone nut?

>4) Avid miltarism (example: the willingnes*s to use the military to solve internatio*nal disputes).<

Right. Please, again, reference Dr. Paul's stance on our overseas empire. Please also reference the thousands of innocent Pakistani and Afghani civilians that have been murdered by Predator drone strikes since President Obama took office.

>5) Rampant Sexism (example: feminism is bad).<

I see, so not following every single word Gloria Steinem spews as the gospel truth is sexism?

>6) Control the mass media (example: have the news distorted)<

Funny, I don't remember Dr. Paul being anything but smeared constantly by many in both parties.

>7) Obsession with national security (example: it is ok to lock people up without trial or to use torture to protect the nation).<

Right, and just a while back everyone here was screaming 'Koch-Brothers ASTROTURF' when a libertarian stood up to the jackbooted thugs in TSA. So which is it?

>8) Religion and the ruling elite tied together (example: increasing the role of religion in the nation and government*).<

And yet Dr. Paul has more than once invoked Sinclair Lewis who said "When fascism comes to America, it will be cloaked in a flag and carrying a cross."

>9) Power of corporatio*ns protected (example: deregulati*on or no new regulation*s on polllution*, labor laws).<

And yet Dr. Paul rails against Corporatism all the time and the incestuous relationship our government has to big business.

>10) Unions suppressed or eliminated (example: unions cost jobs and are the blame for increasing unemployme*nt).<

Please point to any example of this in the writings/speeches or votes by Dr. Paul. You won't find any, I guarantee. Dr. Paul has always stressed freedom of voluntary association.

>11) Disdain and even suppressio*n of intellectu*als (example: eggheads should shutup or else).<

And yet, Dr. Paul, himself a MEDICAL DOCTOR, is talked about as if he is a 'kook', 'fringe nut' etc whenever he talks about The Austrian School of Economics. His advice was also disdained with regards to Obamacare.

>12) Obsession with crime and punishment (example: capital punishment for more things).<

Remind me, again, how many non-violent drug offenders have been pardoned by President Obama? I seem to remember Dr. Paul, more than once, talking about the inherently racist nature of The War on Drugs.

>13) Rampant cronyism and corruption (example: giving out no bid contracts)*.<

Please point to Cronyism in Dr. Paul's case. Please point to where he has given out and/or endorsed no bid contracts.

>14) Fraudulent elections (example: preventing votes from being cast or counted).<

Please, point out what this has to do with Dr. Paul.

Your entire post is one ad hominem attack after another. You have made a guilt-by-association case to smear anyone who is a Tea Partier (eventhough there is an unbridgeable gap between the ACTUAL Tea Party started by Dr. Paul and the Tea-o-Cons that have hijacked OUR movement).
 
I certainly don't associate myself with the TP, not anymore at least (long before this deal). I'd say that a very large number of the Repugs that transferred over to the TP are fascist, the whole Beck crowd. That's one of the prime reasons I don't associate myself with the TP.
 
I certainly don't associate myself with the TP, not anymore at least (long before this deal). I'd say that a very large number of the Repugs that transferred over to the TP are fascist, the whole Beck crowd. That's one of the prime reasons I don't associate myself with the TP.

I don't either. But if we don't goddamn nip this shit in the bud now, people WILL associate Ron Paul with violent nuts like this assjackal that shot that Congresswoman.
 
I don't either. But if we don't goddamn nip this shit in the bud now, people WILL associate Ron Paul with violent nuts like this assjackal that shot that Congresswoman.

But defending the TP only gets us further tied in with them. If the TP are fascist, which many are, let them be called out for it.
 
I certainly don't associate myself with the TP, not anymore at least (long before this deal). I'd say that a very large number of the Repugs that transferred over to the TP are fascist, the whole Beck crowd. That's one of the prime reasons I don't associate myself with the TP.

Love people calling millions and millions of people they don't know fascist. I like Beck most of the time, especially lately..I am prety sure I am not a fascist. Thanks for the smear though. Oh and Beck is not someone a fascist would be drawn to just fyi.
 
I don't either. But if we don't goddamn nip this shit in the bud now, people WILL associate Ron Paul with violent nuts like this assjackal that shot that Congresswoman.

It wont be just us. It will be everyone who does not push the Corporate/Government Oligarchy to help keep solvent the single party system.

I'm envisioning a Rodney King moment..."cant we all just get along?"
 
Doesn't this whole incident highlight well the irrationality of man? Stereotypes and false assumptions are being thrown about everywhere by the Left and entire groups of people (Tea Partiers) are being scapegoated for something that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

People today ask how someone like Hitler could have come to power. Surely the German people weren't bad. Well, as this recent shooting in Arizona points out, man is irrational. Even smart people are prone to foolish politics and scapegoating.

If ever there was an argument for the Rule of Law to curtail the dangers of pure democracy, this is it. The founders were indeed wise.
 
I agree with Raul, the Tea party is a threat to his socialist form of government
 
I love the title of the Olbermann piece below it:

Keith Olbermann On Arizona Shooting: 'Violence Has No Place In Democracy'

Democracy is violence Kieth.

Well we are a Republic, really no place in a Republic for it either.
 
Love people calling millions and millions of people they don't know fascist. I like Beck most of the time, especially lately..I am prety sure I am not a fascist. Thanks for the smear though. Oh and Beck is not someone a fascist would be drawn to just fyi.

:rolleyes:

I guess the self admitted fascist friend I have who can't go ten seconds without quoting Beck doesn't exist, right? If you believe in fascist ideals, you are a fascist. If you believe in nationalist and socialist ideals, you are a national socialist. The most disgusting thing about politics in America today is that no one wants to admit what they are, as though they are afraid of it. If you are a fascist, be proud of it. If you are a national socialist, be proud of it. If you can't be proud of what you are, do you really want to be what you are?

I am an anarchist, and I couldn't be more proud of that fact. I would never get upset that someone would call me what I am.
 
I don't either. But if we don't goddamn nip this shit in the bud now, people WILL associate Ron Paul with violent nuts like this assjackal that shot that Congresswoman.

Wait a minute.
When there were Open Carry folks at TP events the media screamed of violence. Yet there was none. No one was shot.
TP goers were attacked by Union thugs, smeared by the media, harassed by LE. Yet there was no violence by the TP.

Now a violent act by a Democrat/leftist (there have been several) and we have to worry about being called violent.
:confused:

It is truly a bizzaro world.
 
wrath coming

hey, numbskull congress critter: suck on this nugget for awhile -

 
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