Defending Individual Liberty

[CaptUSA]

Really lame edited quote.

And just as lame claim that TJ being in favor of limited government means he's an anarchist in spite of his participation in government.

History laughs at you, and somewhere TJ does too.

So, basically, this is you making up a "lame claim" and attacking that instead of what was actually stated?? These orange-man tactics are getting pretty tired.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Tell it to Randy Weaver, or the Branch Davidians.

Government gone wrong is not proof that government doesn't have a correct place.
Or do you subscribe to the feminist idea that because some men rape all men are rapists?
Government is to be condemned in those cases because it performed in opposition to its correct function.
The individual or small group will be crushed by the large group every time, that's what those cases demonstrate, it's why we need a large group to help protect us and why it's doubly evil when what is supposed to be our large group turns on us.
And if you get rid of government some large group hostile to you will impose itself as a government.

Tom Massie is one at his core

That's an indictment of Massie and not Jefferson if true.

 

[acptulsa]

The individual or small group will be crushed by the large group every time, that's what those cases demonstrate, it's why we need a large group to help protect us and why it's doubly evil when what is supposed to be our large group turns on us.

Government isn't a larger group than us. It's a small group we make the mistake of giving money to for guns. When it becomes a large group is when it is being grown too big for its britches, and that's when it's most evil.

You need to read some history, if it's not too big a strain on your lips. People get killed by their own governments on a wholesale basis. From Turkish Armenians to German Jews to the Russian Orthodox to the Tutsis nearly a hundred million died in the twentieth century alone to demonstrate to us that the enemy within is far, far more dangerous than the enemy outside. But some people are too hidebound by tradition, or too caught up in the dream of someday becoming tyrants themselves, to accept the facts.

 

[acptulsa]

Now who's silly enough to say the border patrol isn't a government bennie?

 

[acptulsa]

 

[Swordsmyth]

Government isn't a larger group than us. It's a small group we make the mistake of giving money to for guns. When it becomes a large group is when it is being grown too big for its britches, and that's when it's most evil.

You need to read some history, if it's not too big a strain on your lips. People get killed by their own governments on a wholesale basis. From Turkish Armenians to German Jews to the Russian Orthodox to the Tutsis nearly a hundred million died in the twentieth century alone to demonstrate to us that the enemy within is far, far more dangerous than the enemy outside. But some people are too hidebound by tradition, or too caught up in the dream of someday becoming tyrants themselves, to accept the facts.

Government is a larger group than any of the smaller groups that exist naturally without it, it's how the many small family and local community size groups work together and create a larger group than any of them individually.

There is a size of government that is too big, but its purpose is to be larger than any of the smaller groups that join under its umbrella, if it wasn't it would be of no use at all.

A corrupted government is indeed dangerous, but the reason outsiders don't either slaughter people wholesale (as has happened throughout history) or conquer them and become a tyrannical government that then slaughters "it's own" people is because we have our own governments.

Had the people slaughtered by "their own" governments had a government of their own instead of being ruled by hostile enemies they would not have been slaughtered.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Now who's silly enough to say the border patrol isn't a government bennie?

Another non-Anarchist who is not speaking of the proper functions of government to defend against enemies and criminals foreign and domestic.

Nobody is going to buy your twisting of his words.

And thank you for making it clear you want to open the border wide to allow the foreign invasion and conquest.

 

[acptulsa]

And thank you for making it clear you want to open the border wide to allow the foreign invasion and conquest.

You got that from me pointing out that the border patrol is government?

When you take these flying leaps, you know, you leave logic far, far behind. The truth of the matter, too.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You got that from me pointing out that the border patrol is government?

When you take these flying leaps, you know, you leave logic far, far behind. The truth of the matter, too.

People are not the fools you think they are.

You made that point after arguing that the government doesn't exist to protect people from foreign threats and posting a quote you were twisting to say government shouldn't provide any services to the people. (because as an anarchist you don't want it to exist to serve its legitimate functions)

You are clearly saying the Thomas agrees with you that the BP is a government service that shouldn't exist.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

It's just a kneejerk reaction to any time someone mentions the words "individual liberty". SS gets triggered and chimes in with Orwellian doublespeak. As if the biggest predator in the jungle, the one with a monopoly on violence, isn't already coming in and smashing you and everyone else. Well, everyone but the ones who curry favors from the state.

 

[acptulsa]

People are not the fools you think they are.

You made that point after arguing that the government doesn't exist to protect people from foreign threats and posting a quote you were twisting to say government shouldn't provide any services to the people. (because as an anarchist you don't want it to exist to serve its legitimate functions)

You are clearly saying the Thomas agrees with you that the BP is a government service that shouldn't exist.

People aren't the fools you think they are, and nobody thinks I said that an existent government should provide no services, or that an existent country shouldn't mind its borders.

Clarence Thomas was merely talking about what liberty is, Einstein. The definition of liberty is the subject of the first sentence. The most transparently clear thing is that you're twisting and spinning things again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

People aren't the fools you think they are, and nobody thinks I said that an existent government should provide no services, or that an existent country shouldn't mind its borders.

Clarence Thomas was merely talking about what liberty is, Einstein. The definition of liberty is the subject of the first sentence. The most transparently clear thing is that you're twisting and spinning things again.

Liberty is having having your rights protected, you don't have liberty if enemies and criminals foreign and domestic can violate your rights at will by overpowering you as an individual or a small group.
Anarchy is not and never will be liberty.
The proper and necessary function of government is to safeguard liberty for the people.

You clearly linked Thomas's statement about not being entitled to government benefits to the Border Patrol by bringing Border Patrol into the conversation and calling it a benefit even though that kind of legitimate basic government function was in no way what he was talking about.
You consistently take the side of PAF and the other borderless globalists and then you crawfish away and claim you were just talking about some technicality.
But you were too bold this time and made it obvious.

Thomas: "You are not entitled to government benefits"
You: "The Border Patrol is a 'government benefit' that you are not entitled to"

 

[acptulsa]

And there, ladies and gentlemen, is why the country is doomed. Americans know things could be better and used to be better, but they can't put their finger on what went wrong. They're brainwashed into thinking that some random miscreants on some Bronx subway are a bigger threat to them than institutions that were just trying to inject billions worldwide with poison. And when you describe a better system to them, they don't understand you, so first they get mad at themselves for their density then blow that anger out at you by, again, regurgitating their brainwashing.

The pigs have brainwashed the sheep to the point that they're scared stupid of any system that might not afford the pigs as many opportunities for corruption. Literally frightened.

Bend down and kiss this country goodbye. Swordsmyth and millions of his minions are too scared to try not letting the most corrupt psychos on earth plunder us of all our hard earned wealth.