Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[klamath]

That's fine and dandy, but do you really think they tailored their methodology to favor Donald Trump? In fact, the Washington Post, a publication that is hostile to Trump, did a survey on Trump supporters and found them to be much younger than originally estimated. A new paradigm is at work in these uncertain times. People care less about political correctness and are more concerned about bold results.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-base-just-the-tea-party-reborn-not-exactly/

Trump is getting 25% of just the republicans. 75% Are NOT supporting him and very likely won't ever. I know I won't. He IS exactly the type of politician I hate. Bribes politicians and then says it is because of the system just like McCain did with campaign finance reform when he got caught in the keating 5 scandal. Has flipfloped on almost every major issue in very recent years., Pro abortion including partial birth, Treats women like objects, Used imminent domain to kick people out of their homes, Inherited his wealth, dodged the draft, follows john Bolton as his foreign policy advisor, supported the bailouts, supported Obama stimulus, supports single payer healthcare, God I could go on all night.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

OPEN YOUR DAMN EARS. i NEVER SAID YOU DID.

Then why did you say so here?

You think you will be more free with Bush, do you?

It's your paranoid delusional behavior. Do you honestly believe you are helping Rand? If I had just come to this forum or was looking on, I would want to get the hell away from your crazy behavior and anyone you claim to support.

Good. Then do what you say and get the hell away. I don't truck with liars.

 

[acptulsa]

What a fantastic way of winning someone over, Gunny.

How does one 'win over' someone who is only here to appear to be a pro-Rand stormfronter, then (as he admitted above) flip flop when another agenda designed to torpedo Rand Paul comes to the fore?

Because whether for pay, or to torpedo the one candidate in the race who thinks in terms of individuals instead of demographics, your loyalties are obvious. And not the same as ours.

Trump is getting 25% of just the republicans. 75% Are NOT supporting him and very likely won't ever. I know I won't. He IS exactly the type of politician I hate. Bribes politicians and then says it is because of the system just like McCain did with campaign finance reform when he got caught in the keating 5 scandal. Has flipfloped on almost every major issue in very recent years., Pro abortion including partial birth, Treats women like objects, Used imminent domain to kick people out of their homes, Inherited his wealth, dodged the draft, follows john Bolton as his foreign policy advisor, supported the bailouts, supported Obama stimulus, supports single payer healthcare, God I could go on all night.

Principle is passe'. Time to abandon everyone the MSM doesn't approve of because it's too much work to set the record straight, and find an excuse to prostitute yourself for whatever establishment stooge catches your fancy.

Because it appears that somehow, in the last three years, the lesser evil ceased to be evil.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

You are not one of the 5 Trumpsters I was thinking about. I have reasons other than Trump to consider you non-credible.

I don't care what you consider me. At all.

It's funny, I was first called a shill because I was trying to make Rand Paul look racist through my support of him. Now I'm called a shill because I've been critical of his (so far) lousy campaign. The paranoid retards need to get their narratives straight.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Do you all see what tolerating Trumpspam is doing to these forums?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

How does one 'win over' someone who is only here to appear to be a pro-Rand stormfronter, then (as he admitted above) flip flop when another agenda designed to torpedo Rand Paul comes to the fore?

She's just saying whatever the hell she thinks will hurt me. I don't think she believes any of it, she's just trying to cause pain. She accused me of sexual perversion the other day simply for opposing Trump, and for opposing the spamming of Trump on these forums. I didn't report it, but someone must have because they deleted the post. It's pretty clear to me that because I refuse to walk in lock-step with her she will do anything and everything she can to try and hurt me. Only, it doesn't hurt, I find it rather pathetic what has become of her. Several years ago, she used to have principles, and was willing to work together to advance the cause of liberty. Now she's just a sadist, attacking people and telling lies on them for failing to slavishly agree with everything she says.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, at least you're honest about it.

Even though I happen to agree with a lot of those things, and do not toe the "standard" libertarian party line on trade and immigration, I can tell you this, after growing up in the same area as Trump, watching his career for almost forty years, watching what he did in AC up close, among so many other things and decades of self promotion, I can tell you this:

He's an empty suit and playing some kind of game here.

You will not get what you think you are buying, if you hitch your wagon to Trump.

Hey guys, I'll give you another target, to get you off of Kahless' back.

I support Rand first, but if he doesn't make it, the way things stand right now, I will be voting for Trump. Why, you ask? I fully realize he is far from ideal and could be a total POS, but I *know* Bush will be. So, none of that for me. I also have eyes and know that if we don't do squat to stop the illegal invasion of our country and at the very least, swing the sucky trade deals more to our favor post haste, our nation is complete TOAST!! Now, I would prefer to just end all entitlements, first for the illegals and get us out of the UN, the WTO, the IMF and ALL of the trade deals from Nafta on up, but guess what, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. I don't think we have much time left. So, even if Trump keeps the wars going and all the other crappy stuff, if he even did one positive thing, it would be one helluva lot better than the crap we have been getting for quite some time by both R and D establishment figures.

Attack at your leisure. I have a thick skin. Nor, do I give a shit what you think.

NOTE: All you guys having fits over anyone who doesn't just foam at the mouth about Trump, tell me, what are you doing posting here, when you could be dialing your little fingers off, assisting Rand's campaign? He has a calling program, you know. Don't you think that would be a better way to spend your time?

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

How does one 'win over' someone who is only here to appear to be a pro-Rand stormfronter, then (as he admitted above) flip flop when another agenda designed to torpedo Rand Paul comes to the fore?

I have never once posted on stormfront. Not once. I have to endure you plebes constantly calling me a "stormfronter" because I know certain facts about race that terrify little weaklings like you.

I want to know what happened to you. What makes a person so deranged, that you see anyone who accepts a different narrative than them as a paid shill? This is not the behavior of a rational, well adjusted person. If you want to think of me as some horrible white supremacist, fine, but my opinions are my own. No one is paying me to be here.

 

[AuH20]

Trump is getting 25% of just the republicans. 75% Are NOT supporting him and very likely won't ever. I know I won't. He IS exactly the type of politician I hate. Bribes politicians and then says it is because of the system just like McCain did with campaign finance reform when he got caught in the keating 5 scandal. Has flipfloped on almost every major issue in very recent years., Pro abortion including partial birth, Treats women like objects, Used imminent domain to kick people out of their homes, Inherited his wealth, dodged the draft, follows john Bolton as his foreign policy advisor, supported the bailouts, supported Obama stimulus, supports single payer healthcare, God I could go on all night.

If he wins both NH and Iowa and doesn't trip up, the mere novelty of his campaign will grab another 10 to 15% of that supposed untouchable 75%. Voters fall in line for the victor.

 

[jj-]

Because being here illegally severely hampers employment opportunities under current law. But when you get rid of the means of enforcing the law by making employers report information about whom they hire to the government, you effectively get rid of the law. It just becomes a symbolic gesture. Sure, some people will respect it, such as many Christians who have been indoctrinated with the heresy that God commands them to obey whatever the government says, just like some people do that already. But the government would have no teeth for such a law. Note again the phrase I used, "for all intents and purposes," without tracking employment and renting, the border would be open.

I disagree that having a situation where not everyone can come legally is consistent with having "open borders for all intents and purposes". In my view, "open borders for all intents and purposes" occurs when it is legal for everyone to come, that's why I agree that you're spreading misinformation about Rand and Ron's views.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, at least you're honest about it.

Even though I happen to agree with a lot of those things, and do not toe the "standard" libertarian party line on trade and immigration, I can tell you this, after growing up in the same area as Trump, watching his career for almost forty years, watching what he did in AC up close, among so many other things and decades of self promotion, I can tell you this:

He's an empty suit and playing some kind of game here.

You will not get what you think you are buying, if you hitch your wagon to Trump.

HAVE YOU GUYS BECOME FRICKIN' MORONS???

I have said over and over that I am supporting Rand, and will be, unless he drops out of the race, or loses the primary.

If that isn't enough for you, then you know where to stick it.

Seriously, your behavior is not attracting anyone. You're acting like a bunch of wannabe bullies.

 

[kahless]

I was consistently praising Rand before his campaign started to falter. If he gets it back on track, I'll be praising him again. Unlike you, I'm not some sycophant who will laud everything he does, regardless of how good it is. You are a paranoid moron who understands absolutely nothing. Dunning-Kruger personified.

Thats where I am at with Rand and acptulsa, which I think stands for "a cult of paul tulsa".

I have never once posted on stormfront. Not once. I have to endure you plebes constantly calling me a "stormfronter" because I know certain facts about race that terrify little weaklings like you.

I want to know what happened to you. What makes a person so deranged, that you see anyone who accepts a different narrative than them as a paid shill? This is not the behavior of a rational, well adjusted person. If you want to think of me as some horrible white supremacist, fine, but my opinions are my own. No one is paying me to be here.

It is his standard debate tactic, I have never visited or posted there or post anything racist in these forums yet he went so far as to list me as a stormfronter in his signature. LOL.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

It is his standard debate tactic, I have never visited or posted there or post anything racist in these forums yet he went so far as to list me as a stormfronter in his signature. LOL.

That's all these plebes know. "Hurrrr durrrr, yurr a strrrrmfrrrntrrr hurrr durrr yurr a siprimisisssst". I'm not even a white nationalist, let alone a supremacist. My opinions on race were shared by Murray fucking Rothbard for fuck's sake! I guess he was a stormfronter too. These are deeply stupid people, old men who have no idea how to grapple with concepts outside of their currently held preconceptions.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Then why did you say so here?

What's the matter, big man. Did you skip 1st grade when they taught what the question mark meant?

Good. Then do what you say and get the hell away.

Make me, big boy. You don't own these forums.

I don't truck with liars.

Then you had better figure out how to get away from yourself.

 

[acptulsa]

Well. The Trumpsters have certainly shown their true colors in this thread.

'I never posted on stormfront.com.' Not denying being paid to troll, and not denying trying to spam a forum dedicated to individuals with a bunch of collectivism. 'I'm not a racist, but I play one on the internet.'

Hooray.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's all these plebes know. "Hurrrr durrrr, yurr a strrrrmfrrrntrrr hurrr durrr yurr a siprimisisssst". I'm not even a white nationalist, let alone a supremacist. My opinions on race were shared by Murray fucking Rothbard for fuck's sake! I guess he was a stormfronter too. These are deeply stupid people, old men who have no idea how to grapple with concepts outside of their currently held preconceptions.

I can understand why they wouldn't think this forum was the best place to have such discussions, since we are actually trying to get someone elected. But, that's no excuse for you being called a stormfronter. It's disgusting. If they had an issue, they should have flagged it for the Mods and taken it to Bryan, if they believed that strongly.

 

[garyallen59]

Do you all see what tolerating Trumpspam is doing to these forums?

Yes. It's tearing it apart. Making it nearly impossible to discuss anything rationally and calmly without concern trolls ready to devour every little piece of optimism and productivity. Yet it continues. I have no idea why something isn't being done. Some of the loudest and most active voices on this forum are those that are actively campaigning against the candidate we are trying to elect. That is not OK.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well. The Trumpsters have certainly shown their true colors in this thread.

Who has shown their true colors is some of you guys. Just wow. What the hell happened to you? You seriously need to take a break. This isn't like you.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yes. It's tearing it apart. Making it nearly impossible to discuss anything rationally and calmly without concern trolls ready to devour every little piece of optimism and productivity. Yet it continues. I have no idea why something isn't being done. Some of the loudest and most active voices on this forum are those that are actively campaigning against the candidate we are trying to elect. That is not OK.

I have seen ONE person on here who has thrown in the towel. And even he, I think would come back to Rand, if he saw Rand getting more active and vocal. But, yes, if all he can say is something bashing Rand, then he probably should take a break from here.

The people causing the most problem though, in my opinion, are the ones highlighting it ad nauseum. Because they are giving it more light than it otherwise would have had.

 

[jj-]

I have never once posted on stormfront. Not once. I have to endure you plebes constantly calling me a "stormfronter" because I know certain facts about race that terrify little weaklings like you.

I want to know what happened to you. What makes a person so deranged, that you see anyone who accepts a different narrative than them as a paid shill? This is not the behavior of a rational, well adjusted person. If you want to think of me as some horrible white supremacist, fine, but my opinions are my own. No one is paying me to be here.

It's clear some people use this place as an outlet for their anger and things like that. The behavior is so over the top that it's clear it's not about the issues.