Rand Paul's Statement on Syria 8/28/13

GunnyFreedom said:
Who said it would? :confused:

Obama's gonna bomb. That's just what he is. Nothing is going to stop it, not the Constitutional argument, and not the hell no we won't go argument. ESPECIALLY given that it's going to happen anyway, Rand's argument is far more effective than the other. My point is strategic. The hell no argument isn't going to slow down Obama any more than the DoW argument. Difference is the DoW argument will reap more dividends down the road. It's the right play.
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No. People are about to die now. If no one in DC is willing to stand against that, none of them deserve to be there.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Only 2 Presidents have been impeached, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's never had much historic weight because "it was over a blowjob." Obama needs historic repudiation for war powers violations. None of this will stop his tyranny NOW, but a House with the backbone to impeach based on a real issue (war powers) will have effects decades down the road. It's what we need.
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This is a good argument. Not sure I've changed my mind yet, but I'm at least much less sure than I was before that impeaching would be a bad idea. I'll think it over for awhile and revisit the issue later. Thanks for the thought-food!
 
RockEnds said:
No. People are about to die now. If no one in DC is willing to stand against that, none of them deserve to be there.
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What would constitute "stand[ing] against that," in your mind? Is it not enough to issue a statement opposing intervention and voting against the action if given a chance to? What more should one do? What are YOU doing?
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Are we talking about the same Senator? I'm talking about Rand Paul.
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Gunny, I don't care who it is. My son is there. I couldn't give a crap less about politics, or the division of powers, or impeaching Obama, or the 2016 presidential election right now. I oppose an escalation of war. Period. Our military has been used and abused. Our leaders care more about their own political futures than about morality. I don't care what politician it is. Ron Paul didn't mince words. He didn't stop short. He didn't pull punches. He didn't stop the war, but he did help de-escalate it for a period of time. We don't need another presidential hopeful with a carefully worded statement. We need another Ron Paul, and we need him today.
 
RockEnds said:
Gunny, I don't care who it is. My son is there. I couldn't give a crap less about politics, or the division of powers, or impeaching Obama, or the 2016 presidential election right now. I oppose an escalation of war. Period. Our military has been used and abused. Our leaders care more about their own political futures than about morality. I don't care what politician it is. Ron Paul didn't mince words. He didn't stop short. He didn't pull punches. He didn't stop the war, but he did help de-escalate it for a period of time. We don't need another presidential hopeful with a carefully worded statement. We need another Ron Paul, and we need him today.
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Well see, this is what I don't understand. Rand is using the same argument that Ron did when he ran for President. "You don't GO to war without a declaration!" So what's the beef? Is it the tone of his voice? The curly hair?
 
ManOfSteel said:
Kindly quote me declaring that Rand would not respond at all about Syria, I don't remember doing that.
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LibertyEagle said:
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Click the "I called it" picture; it's also a link. Then put two and two together.

"I called it" refers to the fact that JCDenton0451 posted the comment in the above picture AFTER specsaregood said "so much for the people trying to give Rand shit for not taking a stand on Syria. he made his position pretty clear in this" and I said "I guarantee you this will not stop them."
 
RockEnds said:
Gunny, I don't care who it is. My son is there. I couldn't give a crap less about politics, or the division of powers, or impeaching Obama, or the 2016 presidential election right now. I oppose an escalation of war. Period. Our military has been used and abused. Our leaders care more about their own political futures than about morality. I don't care what politician it is. Ron Paul didn't mince words. He didn't stop short. He didn't pull punches. He didn't stop the war, but he did help de-escalate it for a period of time. We don't need another presidential hopeful with a carefully worded statement. We need another Ron Paul, and we need him today.
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What do you want from him? He has been doing everything he humanly could do.

tsai3904 said:
Rand Paul in Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Syria :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7MIae0uwo

Rand Paul op-ed on Syria:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/aid-to-unknown-rebels-in-syria-carries-us-threat-94362.html

Rand Paul introducing bill to restrict US funds on military intervention in Syria:

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=866
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The House isn't going to impeach him for doing anything with Syria. Most of them believe that the War Powers Act gives the President the authority to bomb anyone he wants to. And think about it, most of the Republicans in the House apparently believe that the 4th Amendment isn't worthy of upholding; opting instead to conduct surveillance on all Americans without bothering to get a pesky warrant.
 
RockEnds said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY1M0Nvsxkk

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like just a lil' different tone.
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OK, so it's Rand's tone you are angry about. Fair enough. He's not yelling loudly enough or using language provocative enough. If he yelled louder and used more provocative language what would the effect be? Would it change the outcome? Would it make more people or fewer people oppose Syrian intervention?
 
RockEnds said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY1M0Nvsxkk

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like just a lil' different tone.
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Correct, it's a very different tone. Do you hear the boos and mocking laughter in that clip?

Ron Paul got slaughtered in the primaries. Rand is the frontrunner. You may prefer Ron's way of framing things, but in a democracy like ours Rand's way is objectively better. Remember - in order to substantively change policy, you have to get elected first.
 
Sounds to me like Rand is being the intellectual adult in the room. Let's verify the evidence, let's debate it like the Constitution requires, let the public make their voices heard and then put it up to a vote....let's follow the procedure that we are supposed to. I don't have a problem with that approach even though I personally know that I don't want us involved.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
OK, so it's Rand's tone you are angry about. Fair enough. He's not yelling loudly enough or using language provocative enough. If he yelled louder and used more provocative language what would the effect be? Would it change the outcome? Would it make more people or fewer people oppose Syrian intervention?
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No, he doesn't have to change his tone to point out that further escalation of US military action in the ME threatens our security or that we have no right to invade yet another country. Just a firm no that cannot possibly be misunderstood would be a start. And for the record I love his curly hair. My son's hair has exactly the same kind of curl. It's straight on the sides where it's short with beautiful ringlets on top if it has any length at all. I'll admit, I'm a bit biased toward it.
 
Lightweis said:
weak statement. He should be blasting Obama left and right. Only nine percent of Americans support this war. Rand needs to go on the offensive.
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9% this week. Give Hannity and O'Reilly a few weeks to convince the sheep that anyone not "all in" on Syria are whackos or terrorists in training.
 
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