Rand Paul’s New Hampshire Campaign Chair Endorses Ted Cruz

I don't hate Cruz. But you are winning over zero people over creating an account and spamming threads posting what a swell guy Cruz is. You are really annoying as hell. I can't be the only person who thinks it. Every thread I open I see you saying how wonderful Cruz is.

I understand your concerns, but I am really excited for the prospect of Sen. Cruz beating Trump and Rubio. I would recall that back in 2008 and 2012, many Ron Paul supporters displayed similar enthusiasm, and it would not be unusual to see mainstream Republicans say "I don't hate Ron Paul. But you are winning over zero people over creating an account and spamming threads posting what a swell guy Ron Paul is. You are really annoying as hell. I can't be the only person who thinks it. Every thread I open I see you saying how wonderful Ron Paul is." I would have thought my Ron Paul supporters would be the last people to condemn committed, passionate supporters.
 
Rand and Ted are virtually identical in their voting record in the Senate. They're both conservatives and want to limit government spending, they've both stood up against intervention, they both have stood up against endless surveillance. They're very similar.

lol keep telling yourself that. Cruz is a fake and neocon and you have been fooled.


Rand would be the first to endorse him if he was really genuine. my guess is Rand knows him better than any of us and knows how much of a snake he is,
 
I lean Trump at this point. Can't say I see the problem with anyone promoting Cruz or Trump or even Kasich (gag) here. Rand is finished and there isn't another Presidential candidate for the liberty movement. The former Rand votes are going to split one way or another, and it only seems fair that the undecideds should get to hear about the pros and cons of other candidates.
 

Ummm...

eliminate the IRS. Or, in any case, "the IRS as we know it." Has anyone asked him just why he thinks this? His tax plan still has a 10 percent income tax. It has a standard deduction. It has a child tax credit. It has an EITC. It includes a charitable deduction. It includes a home mortgage deduction. And there's a business VAT to replace the corporate income tax. So who's going to oversee and collect and audit all this stuff? Tax fairies
 
Not everyone in the Bush administration was bad. That's very collectivist.


Corporations are legally prohibited from donating to political candidates.

I don't think that everyone who works for either of those banks is evil.


I don't think Bolton has endorsed Ted Cruz.


That is unfortunate, I agree.

Rand has said Snowden should go to prison.


It was never going to pass, but it is very unfortunate the Cruz missed the vote. I still think he's in favor of an audit,though.


I think Ted misspoke here, because he claified on CNN and said he would only want targeted bombing that wouldn't hit civilians.



Rand and Ted are virtually identical in their voting record in the Senate. They're both conservatives and want to limit government spending, they've both stood up against intervention, they both have stood up against endless surveillance. They're very similar.


LOL nobody here fucking cares about Cruz man, he is seen as a disgusting desperate piece of shit so you can keep promoting him if you want.
 
I lean Trump at this point.
Seriously? That sort of thing is accepted here, even though Rand has said it's his mission now to stop Trump???

People here get insulted and are given profanity-laced neg reps for supporting Cruz (who Rand endorsed in 2012), but it's fine to support Trump???
 
You mean just like Rand's tax plan?

Ted's tax plan would be a radical step in the right direction compared to the status quo.
They're both fantastic plan, but they should replace the EITC with wage subsidies.
 
Ted Cruz has supported a variety of spending cuts. Cruz wants to eliminate the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy and Housing and Urban Development.

It doesnt matter what he says he wants to do.. nobody believes him.. Cruz has destroyed all his credibility with the libertarian wing.

I heard Cruz wants to eliminate the IRS... Too bad i cant trust him
 
Smart move, not only is he supporting a proven winner, he also gets to continue fighting for liberty and the Constitution!

What has proven that he's a winner? Rafael hasn't won anything yet and certainly will not be winning the nomination. Why are you here? Your join date and post content seem rather suspicious.

P.S. if you like winners you should look into Trump. I hear he likes to win.
 
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Seriously? That sort of thing is accepted here, even though Rand has said it's his mission now to stop Trump???

People here get insulted and are given profanity-laced neg reps for supporting Cruz (who Rand endorsed in 2012), but it's fine to support Trump???

Absolutely. For the record, I totally disagree with all that. You are well within your rights to support Cruz on this forum because there are a lot of undecided Rand supporters who deserve to hear it out. I'm going to Caucus for Trump, but I don't feel strongly enough about him to actively plug him here. He's just my default #2 with Rand being out.

I don't think the supporters of any other candidates should be torn apart if threads are confined to this sub-forum about 2016. Rand is gone and the liberty movement is going to be divided in either sitting out the rest of the election or supporting someone else. Trump, Cruz, whoever are fair game to discuss here, in my opinion. I wouldn't even fault anyone making a serious argument for hacks like Bush or Rubio, but they should be ready to get beaten up with arguments against if they try. Same applies to Trump and Cruz supporters if certain folks here feel that strongly against them.
 
I don't think the supporters of any other candidates should be torn apart if threads are confined to this sub-forum about 2016. Rand is gone and the liberty movement is going to be divided in either sitting out the rest of the election or supporting someone else. Trump, Cruz, whoever are fair game to discuss here, in my opinion. I wouldn't even fault anyone making a serious argument for hacks like Bush or Rubio, but they should be ready to get beaten up with arguments against if they try. Same applies to Trump and Cruz supporters if certain folks here feel that strongly against them.

I don't mind discussion regarding Cruz if it's genuine. Problem is there is clearly a lot of Cruzbot trolling going on here from people who never were interested in talking to us until Rand dropped out.

This is RonPaulForums and in the case that LukeR didn't know, here is what Paul has to say about Cruz.

"You take a guy like Cruz, people are liking the Cruz — they think he’s for the free market, and [in reality] he’s owned by Goldman Sachs. I mean, he and Hillary have more in common than we would have with either Cruz or Trump or any of them so I just don’t think there is much picking"

 
I don't think the supporters of any other candidates should be torn apart if threads are confined to this sub-forum about 2016. Rand is gone and the liberty movement is going to be divided in either sitting out the rest of the election or supporting someone else. Trump, Cruz, whoever are fair game to discuss here, in my opinion. I wouldn't even fault anyone making a serious argument for hacks like Bush or Rubio, but they should be ready to get beaten up with arguments against if they try. Same applies to Trump and Cruz supporters if certain folks here feel that strongly against them.

Yeah, I agree.
 
fcreature, are you sure you should be posting that video?

Actually, you know what, I'll happily take this opportunity to engage a Cruz supporter. Let's see if you respond like all the rest of them. Please, convince me that I'm wrong about Cruz. I honestly would love to be convinced. At this point I'm very sour about the amount of money I gave him in his primary campaign (probably far before you've ever heard of the man) so your convincing me would make me feel much better about that.

Why should I support a candidate who has campaigned on, raised money on, and bragged about his support of Audit the Fed in the debates and then had the nerve to skip the vote. What kind of liberty candidate does this? And better yet, how can I accept his shitty excuse of having had prior engagements and knowing it would have failed anyway? Is that not the same excuse the establishment has been giving every time they've given Obama and the Democrats exactly what they have wanted? Does this have anything to do with his wife's employment, undisclosed loans, or the sheer amount of money and donations he (and his PACs) has received from banking institutions?

What about Cruz's shift in his position in regards to Snowden; once commending Snowden for what he has brought to public light and now calling him a "traitor". And yes, I know Rand thinks he should be tried but I haven't ever heard him call Snowden a traitor.

What kind of liberty candidate promises to bring an end to the Patriot Act, then votes for the Freedom Act. Cruz talked for years about the unconstitutional spying of US citizens via the NSA and then in a debate he says he supported giving the NSA the power to spy on 100% of American phone calls.

Do liberty candidates want to carpet bomb the entire middle east? Is that the solution to our problems in that region? Why did Cruz hire dozens of well known neocons, especially in regards to foreign policy, to run his campaign? Why has he gone so far right on this issue after hopping in the race?

How can I trust a man who has flip flopped on a variety of issues (regardless of whether it was towards the right or wrong side of the issue) including H1B Visas, Birthright Citizenship, Immigration, deportation, Syria, states rights in regards to marijuana, ethanol, criminal justice reform, etc. Which Ted Cruz do we believe? Is he really that consistent?

Was Cruz lying about his stances on immigration before with the supposed "poison pill amendments" or is he lying about it now? According to Cruz he was lying then. Either way, he is a very convincing liar. Go back and watch all the footage. Why should I support a candidate whom lying comes so easily to?

And finally, how do you excuse his despicable behavior in this nomination process thus far? His spreading false rumors behind closed doors, his borderline fraudulent mailers, and his campaign telling Carson supporters that he dropped out. Please don't tell me it was CNN's fault.

Go ahead, convince me.
 
If it stops Rubio, I'm happy.
Keep in mind what other effects a Cruz eligibility ruling would have...
If natural born citizen is ruled to be "citizen at birth", the Nationals and Citizens at Birth statute at 8 USC 1401 becomes the hiring pool for president, and it is modifiable by Congress.
Even now, citizen at birth status is granted to a person of unknown parentage and birthplace in section (f).
Now ask yourselves 2 questions...
Does (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; sound like a natural born citizen?
Who will Congress grant citizenship at birth to in the future if they discover they can modify presidential eligibility at will?

 
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