Rand Paul: Will Donald Trump betray voters by hiring John Bolton?

[John F Kennedy III]

Bolton wasn't confirmed by the Senate last time and hopefully he would not be confirmed this time. Some journalist was asking if Rand Paul would vote in favor of Bolton. I'm glad to see the answer is NO.

EDIT:

Rand can block appointments in committee unless Democrats defect

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...on-would-get-his-vote-for-secretary-of-state/

Bolton was picked before ?

 

[Theocrat]

Trump's Colors Coming Through

Because Trump is not a non-interventionist and he holds the Pauls in disdain. The Pauls represent the opposite of virtually everything Trump stands for.

Exactly, my brother. The simple fact that Donald Trump would even consider John Bolton for Secretary of State is reason enough to question Trump's alleged noninterventionism.

 

[eleganz]

We will find out what kind of steel balls Rand has for some of these confirmation hearings.

We already know Rand has a big pair of liberty balls, he doesn't really have much to prove anymore, the last 6 years is pretty obvious where his compass is pointing.

 

[eleganz]

Trump doesn't have a lot of knowledge so he could just have names thrown at him and is considering it because he doesn't know of Bolton's neocon past. I think Trump is the kind of that guy, where if somebody brought up some facts about how Bolton's vision for FP contradicts his own, he'd shut it down.

Trump doesn't come from our RLOVEution so we should not expect him to understand anything about what we stand for, its literally insane to put him up to our standards when he probably has no idea who we are and what we stand for.

So it would be up to us to shake things up on social media big enough where Trump and his family can see where some people around him are direct contradictions to things he's said or promised.

Bannon is supposedly anti-neocon so hopefully that is enough to prevent a Bolton nomination.

 

[osan]

Because he knows how Trump works. Whoever the last guy is that talks to Trump is who Trump listens to.

For Pete's sake d00d, you're WAY smarter than this. You may not like Trump - I am indifferent to him myself - but he is now FACT. These barbs are not really helpful, methinks. I don't think that any of us are as yet knowledgeable on such matters. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I doubt he built what he has by being the sort of fool your comment strongly suggests.

He's in. He has a circumstance no president has had in what, 100 years? The opportunities here are real, however thinly, so why not set cynicism aside just for awhile? I've maintained throughout this election cycle that he will likely screw us, and I stand by it. But there is still the slimmest hope of regaining some of what has been lost, so why not attempt helpfulness? Do it on the assumption it will make no difference - but do it anyway.

My plugged kopek's worth.

 

[westkyle]

For Pete's sake d00d, you're WAY smarter than this. You may not like Trump - I am indifferent to him myself - but he is now FACT. These barbs are not really helpful, methinks. I don't think that any of us are as yet knowledgeable on such matters. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I doubt he built what he has by being the sort of fool your comment strongly suggests.

He's in. He has a circumstance no president has had in what, 100 years? The opportunities here are real, however thinly, so why not set cynicism aside just for awhile? I've maintained throughout this election cycle that he will likely screw us, and I stand by it. But there is still the slimmest hope of regaining some of what has been lost, so why not attempt helpfulness? Do it on the assumption it will make no difference - but do it anyway.

My plugged kopek's worth.

Why set the cynicism aside? Trump has had barely any substance in the entire campaign process compared to Rand. There is not point in being like Obama supporters hoping for change and then being left empty-handed. Lets see the change Trump supposedly supports, then the cynicism can be set aside.

 

[osan]

Why set the cynicism aside?

Because cynicism is for the weak.

Trump has had barely any substance in the entire campaign process compared to Rand.

Yeah well, Rand screwed his campaign up and dropped out early on. Love or hate him, Trump sold Trump to America. He knew what they wanted and he gave it to them by the triaxle-load. Had Rand been on the same ball, he might have survived into the election.

Once again we see the difference in effect between the normative thinker and the positive. All the high-minded principles buy you nothing in a world that doesn't speak that language. Trump had his hand on the simple-minded meaner's pulse. Rand did not. Rand spoke to a vanishingly small minority of better-clued and braver Americans and the rest of the nation turned their backs to him. That is the reality. Trump spoke to the average drooler, got him stiff in the shorts, and left him with the promise of happy fun time if the votes come in. It was masterful and as we all see, it worked.

There is not point in being like Obama supporters hoping for change and then being left empty-handed.

Nowhere did I imply we should be. Elsewhere I wrote that we should all be jumping on this bandwagon in the effort to steer it where we know it needs to go. It's the ONLY vehicle available at the moment. You can sit with your thumb in your ass for 4 more years in wait for the Messiah to arrive for 2020, or you get your ass moving. The worst that happens is that "we" have no palpable effect. You are no worse off.

Lets see the change Trump supposedly supports, then the cynicism can be set aside.

We should see it shortly. But your order of operations bespeaks fear and weakness - no slight intended. Why be that way? Why be afraid to be fooled just one more time? You should know soon enough what he's about. You can retreat into anger and disappointment then, if it suits you. Until then, why not take a chance, however remote, that he may leave the nation better than it was in four years. I've read that he will sign legislation for national concealed carry. I would call that am improvement.

Time will tell.

 

[westkyle]

Because cynicism is for the weak.



Yeah well, Rand screwed his campaign up and dropped out early on. Love or hate him, Trump sold Trump to America. He knew what they wanted and he gave it to them by the triaxle-load. Had Rand been on the same ball, he might have survived into the election.

Once again we see the difference in effect between the normative thinker and the positive. All the high-minded principles buy you nothing in a world that doesn't speak that language. Trump had his hand on the simple-minded meaner's pulse. Rand did not. Rand spoke to a vanishingly small minority of better-clued and braver Americans and the rest of the nation turned their backs to him. That is the reality. Trump spoke to the average drooler, got him stiff in the shorts, and left him with the promise of happy fun time if the votes come in. It was masterful and as we all see, it worked.



Nowhere did I imply we should be. Elsewhere I wrote that we should all be jumping on this bandwagon in the effort to steer it where we know it needs to go. It's the ONLY vehicle available at the moment. You can sit with your thumb in your ass for 4 more years in wait for the Messiah to arrive for 2020, or you get your ass moving. The worst that happens is that "we" have no palpable effect. You are no worse off.



We should see it shortly. But your order of operations bespeaks fear and weakness - no slight intended. Why be that way? Why be afraid to be fooled just one more time? You should know soon enough what he's about. You can retreat into anger and disappointment then, if it suits you. Until then, why not take a chance, however remote, that he may leave the nation better than it was in four years. I've read that he will sign legislation for national concealed carry. I would call that am improvement.

Time will tell.

No offense taken. I have no fear in my heart, I just don't buy into the talk everyone else seems to be gobbling up. I'm just not convinced Trump will do anything worthwhile for the liberty movement or the country in general. Of course it remains to be seen if Trump is all talk, or actually has some tangible plans and can get real results.

 

[osan]

No offense taken. I have no fear in my heart, I just don't buy into the talk everyone else seems to be gobbling up.

I'm not suggesting you gobble anything, especially the talk. I wouldn't take a turnip for that much of a fool.

I am, however, suggesting you suspend disbelief for awhile. Stay neutral. Dare to be hopeful. Think and plan how you might help. If the hammer is to fall, it will come soon enough and you will be no worse off.

I'm just not convinced Trump will do anything worthwhile for the liberty movement or the country in general.

That seems a bit too strongly stated. "Nothing" is a lot in this case. I would also reiterate the point that just because he doesn't solve every one of the nation's problems in four or eight years, it does not mean that will not have incrementally helped. The progressives have accepted their small victories. So ought we.

He could turn out to be a real NAZI, too. Them's the risks inherent in our crooked and completely hosed up system. But I am not yet convinced that the potential for doing right is quite completely dead yet. If if proves to be, well then I am no more screwed than I would have been otherwise. On January 21st I may hold a completely different view on the matter, saying to myself that you were completely right and I was a dopey stooge. I don't care anymore. These people will do as they will because we keep feeding them tons of money, abetted by the Fed. They have men with guns. Lots of them. And when it comes to brass tacks, I may die in a pile of hot brass or find myself whimpering like a little punk in a camp. I have no idea and I'm not that worried about it.

Of course it remains to be seen if Trump is all talk, or actually has some tangible plans and can get real results.

Oh he's got plans alright. Lots of them, I am certain. My only question is whether they are any good.

Stay tuned.