Rand Paul: Will Donald Trump betray voters by hiring John Bolton?

[William Tell]

Submitted to Drudge on the off chance he will show this to the Trumposphere.

 

[CaptUSA]

The only thing more terrifying than Secretary of State John Bolton is perhaps Secretary of Homeland Security!

Be careful what you wish for!!

 

[undergroundrr]

a certain segment of the population will be very disappointed

No segment of the population will be heard anymore. Election won. Neocons in. M-IC secured. Mission accomplished. The war party really struck it rich this time.

Rand was the only chance we would get a break from a neocon government. It would have helped if a third-party had made waves too.

Even the tea party is irrelevant. I promise you progressive trump detested them in his heart of hearts. Now there's no need to even give them a seat at the table.

And why the praise for Bannon? I get that he hates Hillary and illegals. But I've been unable to find anything indicating he's a non-interventionist. So far, every appointment is a link in the fast-track to my kids getting conscripted.

 

[specsaregood]

I guess I did. I hope that is the case

For all we know, Trump might have asked Randal to post this so he would have something to refer to when he turns the neocon dreamteam down. yeah, an optimistic wish, but in theory its possible

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Bolton wasn't confirmed by the Senate last time and hopefully he would not be confirmed this time. Some journalist was asking if Rand Paul would vote in favor of Bolton. I'm glad to see the answer is NO.

EDIT:

Rand can block appointments in committee unless Democrats defect

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...on-would-get-his-vote-for-secretary-of-state/

Yeah, the main point here is that Rand will oppose confirmation in the Senate, which would probably mean Bolton could not be confirmed.

 

[oyarde]

I guess he could be trying to hold his hand to the fire but it seems standoffish and snobby to write this if he is actually trying to influence him.

It's like your neighbor sending you a letter from his lawyer instead of just talking to you first.

I see that , but what if he already did ?

 

[Bruehound]

We will find out what kind of steel balls Rand has for some of these confirmation hearings.

 

[undergroundrr]

We will find out what kind of steel balls Rand has for some of these confirmation hearings.

Yep. Going up against Obama was a different thing. He'll have to fight his own party. Hopefully his base is strong enough to stick with him.

trump wants term limits. That will get people like Rand, Amash and Massie out of his hair eventually.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Why doesn't he just contact him?

Because Trump is not a non-interventionist and he holds the Pauls in disdain. The Pauls represent the opposite of virtually everything Trump stands for.

 

[Created4]

I guess he could be trying to hold his hand to the fire but it seems standoffish and snobby to write this if he is actually trying to influence him.

It's like your neighbor sending you a letter from his lawyer instead of just talking to you first.

I see that , but what if he already did ?

Exactly. He probably already talked to someone on the transition team, or Trump himself, and voiced his opinion, and was rebuffed. As a member of the Foreign Relations committee, he is letting them know there will be opposition.

 

[CaptUSA]

Yep. Going up against Obama was a different thing. He'll have to fight his own party. Hopefully his base is strong enough to stick with him.

trump wants term limits. That will get people like Rand, Amash and Massie out of his hair eventually.

I was disheartened by Rand's 2020 chances when an "R" won this year. But if Rand plays this right - which seems like he may be doing - he may be able to finally crack the GOP right along the fissure line. At first, that would probably cause him to lose support, but in the long run, it could raise his profile enough to challenge a sitting President in a primary. And win.

 

[kahless]

Because Trump is not a non-interventionist and he holds the Pauls in disdain. The Pauls represent the opposite of virtually everything Trump stands for.

I would feel better with a non-interventionist in that position but one wonders how will Trump get a non-interventionist confirmed.

Not a fan of Bolton and his nom would be a concern. But I assume he would probably more easily get confirmed and ultimately would have to follow the Trump doctrine. The problem being I think Trump is easily swayed by whomever is in his ear which would certainly make a Bolton pick certainly a problem.

 

[oyarde]

Exactly. He probably already talked to someone on the transition team, or Trump himself, and voiced his opinion, and was rebuffed. As a member of the Foreign Relations committee, he is letting them know there will be opposition.

I would have done the same thing .

 

[Origanalist]

I would feel better with a non-interventionist in that position but one wonders how will Trump get a non-interventionist confirmed.

Not a fan of Bolton and his nom would be a concern. But I assume he would probably more easily get confirmed and ultimately would have to follow the Trump doctrine. The problem being I think Trump is easily swayed by whomever is in his ear which would certainly make a Bolton pick certainly a problem.

Trump now has the bully pulpit and America is sick of war. Plus he would have some very vocal support if he nominated someone who favors a more sane foreign policy stance.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I would feel better with a non-interventionist in that position but one wonders how will Trump get a non-interventionist confirmed.

Not a fan of Bolton and his nom would be a concern. But I assume he would probably more easily get confirmed and ultimately would have to follow the Trump doctrine. The problem being I think Trump is easily swayed by whomever is in his ear which would certainly make a Bolton pick certainly a problem.

Trump's doctrine is interventionism.

 

[harikaried]

Rand Paul is speaking out against both Giuliani and Bolton for secretary of state:

Paul argued that Giuliani and Bolton, the people whose names have circulated most widely, “have made it clear that they favor bombing Iran.” Choosing either for a key administration job, he said, would go back on the “America First” foreign policy that helped Trump win the Republican primaries, to the surprise of the Republican Party foreign-policy establishment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...on-would-get-his-vote-for-secretary-of-state/

Edit: Doh dupe. Too many places to check for news now: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504105-Rand-will-not-vote-for-Bolton-or-Giuliani

 

[Dangergirl]

Rand Paul is speaking out against both Giuliani and Bolton for secretary of state:i[/url]

Then we should all speak out, hopefully with intelligence and diplomacy

 

[The Gold Standard]

And why the praise for Bannon? I get that he hates Hillary and illegals. But I've been unable to find anything indicating he's a non-interventionist. So far, every appointment is a link in the fast-track to my kids getting conscripted.

Most people here aren't non-interventionist anymore. They like Bannon because he hates Hillary and illegals. That is all they need.

 

[specsaregood]

Well, Randal isn't just ending it there.
Got an email from his pac:

http://randpac.com/l/ban-bolton/

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:02 PM
To: specsaregood
Subject: Ban Bolton!

Specs, our Constitution and our founding fathers were explicit, war was not to be fought without the permission of Congress. No matter which party occupies the White House, I will not shrink from my constitutional duty to oppose any advocate for war.

The true statesmen realizes, with reluctance, that war is sometimes necessary, but as a country we should resist would-be leaders like John Bolton who want to bomb now and think later.
I'm urging you to stand with me to Ban Bolton from serving as Secretary of State.
In Liberty,
Rand Paul

SIGN THE PETITION NOW

 

[dean.engelhardt]

Well, Randal isn't just ending it there.
Got an email from his pac:

http://randpac.com/l/ban-bolton/

Just signed the petition. Thanks for the link.