Just a fact check:
Rand dropped in the polls, sharply, a significant time before Trump announced. I'm not sure you consistently paid attention to the polls. Maybe only positive polls were posted here.
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Just a fact check:
Rand dropped in the polls, sharply, a significant time before Trump announced. I'm not sure you consistently paid attention to the polls. Maybe only positive polls were posted here.
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Is Rand not fighting for his voter's now? Instead of fighting for Trump why don't you fight for Rand?
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He's not stealing voters. He's the flavor of the month right now. People don't want him for president; they want him as the GOP/media gadfly.
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How can I fight for Rand when he made some questionable decisions and now is off message? This is his hole that he dug. I gave him money. Maybe I'll help the campaign locally but I am far from enthused. I am more infuriated because the opportunity was just laying there.
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Somebody call LE, FSP-Rebel, Bastiat's The Law, etc......this Trump thing was just a conspiracy to see if y'all could get me to fight fiercely on behalf of Rand, wasn't it? Congratulations, I'm in. 
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You are missing the point too. It isn't about "bringing Trump down". Trump's supporters don't really care about Trump in the first place so you can't "bring him down". It is all about fashioning an appealing message. Rand had one in 2010. He had one the first few years of his Senate term. He doesn't have one now, neither do any of the other Republicans, and that is why Trump is getting so much support. They support Trump because they hate you. The only way to "bring Trump down" is to make them like you.
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It looks like the campaign has decided that Trump has taken away the anti-establishment vote from Rand, and they want it back.
Has Trump ever mentioned the Constitution? He would probably have less respect for limitations on government power than Chris "The Bill of Rights is null and void" Christie.
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Trump will fall just has fast as he rose. Keep watching the show...the lights will be turned off soon...
Even low info voters will get tired of the bully on the playground with that baton who goes around saying, "you're ugly."
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Heh. That was said 3 weeks ago and the train keeps slogging up the hill.
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If Rand was posting on the forum right now, it's possible he would be more on the side of open borders and free immigration, as are multiple factions of libertarians, without pandering to the US Chamber.
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Maybe you're right. But there's a long way to go.
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Even with the welfare state in place? Even Ron doesn't believe that. Open borders without a regulatory state in place is far more feasible than open borders in Extortion USA. You don't defeat Extortion USA by adding more dependents.
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What questionable decisions? To kill the PATRIOT Act? To try to defund Planned Parenthood? Or just to refuse to become a Trump Yes-Man like you?
How is he off message? He talked about the economy, the Constitution, and the corruption. He talked about borrowing money from China and giving it to nations that hate us. Are you just saying he's off message because you want him to kiss Trump's ass as much as you do?
What opportunity is just lying there? The opportunity to convince some three quarters of the nation that you can't be trusted with the presidency? The opportunity to lose flamboyantly, but in any case, lose?
See, now, I remember when you were smitten with Cruz and Rubio. Rand Paul gave them the chance to take a huge bite out of the welfare state just a short time back, and give the money to the Military Industrial Complex, and they wouldn't do it. They were too set on driving up the debt. So, we ask again, why are you harping on Rand Paul? Isn't that kind of like blaming the fact that the house is flooded on the plumber because the plumber didn't succeed in talking you into fixing the screwed up floor drain?
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By pulling your head out of your ass and seeing that Rand is the best chance we have.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...was-fantastic-helped-wake-up-american-people/
Quit shilling for Trump and annoying the hell out of everyone on here and fight for Rand.
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That won't help his sagging poll numbers. Only Rand can do that.
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You would have to ask Rand over a beer to get his personal opinion. But there's a couple of regular posters that would be more than happy to debate on the open borders side of the issue...
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Came into this thread for a Trump/Boy George photoshop. Iz disappoint. 
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Can't you see that he already did during the debate, or we'd already be hearing about how he torpedoed himself? Are you really so allergic to principle that this horse race rhetoric can completely dominate you? Even to the point that you're ready to let the United States of America go down in flames just to satisfy your pique? Even though the damned horses haven't even reached the quarter mile post yet, and no one who was in the lead at this stage has ever won the race ever?
You going to address any of these points, or just filibuster right on by them?
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You would have to ask Rand over a beer to get his personal opinion. But there's a couple of regular posters that would be more than happy to debate on the open borders side of the issue...
The country is broke, so we do not need to borrow money from China to give to Saudi Arabia. You can easily segue the very same concern to illegal immigration. The country is hopelessly broke, so we do not need to load up our service & security net with foreigners. Our prime concern is domestic citizens. This is simple economics. Jesus Christ. You don't have to be a bombastic Donald Trump to be resolute on the issue.
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