Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

[erowe1]

For many positions, people are required to show multiple forms of ID, be subjected to drug tests, physical examinations, blood tests, and full fingerprinting.

One time, I needed a notarized note from my mother saying that I was born in the US, where, the hospital, and on what date. That is not exaggeration or hyperbole. A literal "note from my mother". IIRC, I also needed a note from the hospital. Maybe it was a certification of live birth. More scrutiny than the POTUS.

If you believe illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to work in the US, then I assume you're all for things like this, not just for some positions, but all. Right?

 

[cheapseats]

It's kind of stupid though. Rand is tough where it matters and accepting where it doesn't. Why force people to go back if they're going to come back anyway, and give them an increased economic burden making it more likely they need government assistance?

But Himself is about BORDER SECURITY, yes? Meaning, they CAN'T come back illegally.

And Himself is about SLASHING WELFARE, yes? Meaning, the benefit spigot is no longer gushing unchecked.

Rand wants to do the opposite, toughen the border and make sure there are stringent security and immigration requirements, and not force people currently here to leave, then come back. They would just apply and be sent to the back.

So? Their economic burden is our economic boost. I mean, if dollars and cents are the bottom line, there's MONEY TO BE MADE in mass deportation as surely as there is money to be made rebuilding nearly-killed soldiers and money to be made from natural disasters and money to be made off cancer. I am not advocating mass deportation, but I AM calling attention to SELECTIVE SYMPATHY.

And I AM calling bullshit . . . Rand not CALLING it a path to amnesty does not magically make it NOT a path to amnesty.

By lessening the economic burden, not only will Rand allow them to eventually gain citizenship, but also not hurt them any more economically.

In other words, PATH TO AMNESTY.

 

[erowe1]

But Himself is about BORDER SECURITY, yes? Meaning, they CAN'T come back illegally.

Really? What kind of border security would we have to have to make is so people couldn't get in the states illegally?

 

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Really? What kind of border security would we have to have to make is so people couldn't get in the states illegally?

Ask Rand.

Is not BORDER SECURITY part of his "immigration" (slash amnesty) policy?

From page 1:

...Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you.

In order to bring conservatives to this cause however, those who work for reform must understand that a real solution must ensure that our borders are secure...

 

[Carlybee]

Really upset that he thinks drones are ok for the border. I wish the whole industry would flop.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

If you believe illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to work in the US, then I assume you're all for things like this, not just for some positions, but all. Right?

From a principles standpoint, I am for consistency and minimal paperwork. Unfortunately, government tends to love vindictive, burdensome and meaningless paperwork, and common sense is usually thrown out the window.

 

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From a principles standpoint, I am for consistency and minimal paperwork. Unfortunately, government tends to love vindictive, burdensome and meaningless paperwork, and common sense is usually thrown out the window.

American Officials systematically LOWER THE BOOM on American Citizens for running afoul of "our" labyrinth of laws.

 

[AlexAmore]

Really upset that he thinks drones are ok for the border. I wish the whole industry would flop.

Drone's don't kill people, people do! But really, drones have vast uses in private industry. so I personally would be careful with wanting them to flop.

 

[jtstellar]

eating_nachos, 1. you can't deport 12 million illegals, stop driving them into the dark corners in the society can actually mean less gang violence and other criminal activities, in exchange for them not getting ahead of anybody else in the waiting line still, it's better than anything you could ever propose

2. are you speaking out of a fear of 'he's taking my jobs' or 'made in america!' mindset? if it's in regards to your livelihood, there's no logic to be dealt with you. whatever genius idea you have, not a penny of my tax will go toward deporting 12 million illegal which god knows costs how much just so you can earn a few bucks an hour. it doesn't even make sense economically that driving away a cheap source of labor somehow helps the economy that simply, because we don't just sell things to ourselves, you don't just have american spendings to consider. but let's even just consider that true for a moment, you still can't deport 12 million illegals. hungry people are scary indeed, even those of you at home. even your brains don't work any longer.

 

[erowe1]

Ask Rand.

Is not BORDER SECURITY part of his "immigration" (slash amnesty) policy?

From page 1:

He may say that, but it's just a symbolic gesture. Either that, or he has in mind such an onerous violation of all of our liberties that it would make the current laws telling us whom we're allowed to hire look like nothing.

If you were under the impression that we could have some kind of border security that would make it so people couldn't illegally immigrate, I'd like to know what you thought it would take to accomplish that.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He may say that, but it's just a symbolic gesture. Either that, or he has in mind such an onerous violation of all of our liberties that it would make the current laws telling us whom we're allowed to hire look like nothing.

If you were under the impression that we could have some kind of border security that would make it so people couldn't illegally immigrate, I'd like to know what you thought it would take to accomplish that.

Putting soldiers on our own border instead of in 160 bases around the world? Didn't Ron advocate this as well? I really don't see any problem with keeping our borders well defended. And this coming from the guy that wants it to be really easy to come here legally.

 

[Carlybee]

Drone's don't kill people, people do! But really, drones have vast uses in private industry. so I personally would be careful with wanting them to flop.

Just wait until the sky is filled with them.

 

[erowe1]

Putting soldiers on our own border instead of in 160 bases around the world? Didn't Ron advocate this as well? I really don't see any problem with keeping our borders well defended. And this coming from the guy that wants it to be really easy to come here legally.

Ron talked about protecting our borders instead of other countries, but I don't know why so many people think that was about illegal immigration.

At any rate, no matter who talked about it, if someone thinks there's some way to make it so illegal immigrants can't come here, I'd like to know what they think would do it. I can't imagine anything that could, short of an East Germany style police state.

 

[supermario21]

short of an East Germany style police state.

I actually was a fan of a shoot-to-kill style border patrol/wall. Of course that's not feasible anymore haha.

 

[eating_nachos]

eating_nachos, 1. you can't deport 12 million illegals, stop driving them into the dark corners in the society can actually mean less gang violence and other criminal activities, in exchange for them not getting ahead of anybody else in the waiting line still, it's better than anything you could ever propose

2. are you speaking out of a fear of 'he's taking my jobs' or 'made in america!' mindset? if it's in regards to your livelihood, there's no logic to be dealt with you. whatever genius idea you have, not a penny of my tax will go toward deporting 12 million illegal which god knows costs how much just so you can earn a few bucks an hour. it doesn't even make sense economically that driving away a cheap source of labor somehow helps the economy that simply, because we don't just sell things to ourselves, you don't just have american spendings to consider. but let's even just consider that true for a moment, you still can't deport 12 million illegals. hungry people are scary indeed, even those of you at home. even your brains don't work any longer.

Yes, we must continue to protect the poor, poor corporations. What will they do without their cheap labor.

 

[William R]

Rand damaged himself today. Dumb speech and I hate to be the one to break the news to Rand, but all polls show what Hispanics favor big activist government..

 

[AuH20]

Rand damaged himself today. Dumb speech and I hate to be the one to break the news to Rand, but all polls show what Hispanics favor big activist government..

He's been trying to do too much of late. It backfired. He had so much momentum too.

 

[AlexAmore]

Rand damaged himself today. Dumb speech and I hate to be the one to break the news to Rand, but all polls show what Hispanics favor big activist government..

Liberals have a huge head start in courting their vote. It won't be long until Hispanics are the majority in vast regions and Republicans have simply trashed them and their culture directly and indirectly. Rand Paul is reaching out and that's all he can do at this point. Earlier the better. We're merely playing catch up at this point.

 

[AuH20]

Ron talked about protecting our borders instead of other countries, but I don't know why so many people think that was about illegal immigration.

At any rate, no matter who talked about it, if someone thinks there's some way to make it so illegal immigrants can't come here, I'd like to know what they think would do it. I can't imagine anything that could, short of an East Germany style police state.

Dry up the incentives without imprisoning them. Ron has said this numerous times. Attack the welfare state and we won't have an illegal alien problem.

 

[AuH20]

Liberals have a huge head start in courting their vote. It won't be long until Hispanics are the majority in vast regions and Republicans have simply trashed them and their culture directly and indirectly. Rand Paul is reaching out and that's all he can do at this point. Earlier the better. We're merely playing catch up at this point.

The courting of their vote is directly tied to how many tangible benefits and advantages the democrats can offer them. Any conservative with any type of integrity cannot embark down that dark road of vote buying via big government initiatives. If that's the solution, just disassemble the republican party.