Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

Brian4Liberty said:
Lol! Just saw an extended segment on Fox about Rand's immigration speech. They did it. Here is a summary:

- the Jeb Bush plan is much tougher and is not amnesty.
- the "bipartisan" plan (ie, McCain, Graham, Rubio and friends) is much tougher and is not amnesty. (And they didn't name who was on the committee. Rubio is now safely disassociated.)
- Rand Paul said "default amnesty"! He's for amnesty! We tried that with Reagan, and it didn't work!


Rand may have stepped in it on this one. Where's that Star Wars "it's a trap" picture?
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This speech was far too loose and fast with ambiguous rhetoric. Big mistake, but not a campaign ender certainly.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Was that the segment about an hour after this post?
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Yes, and there was none of the sentiment expressed recently. I've always thought that Rand's plan is sort of an addition to the bipartisan plan. The trust but verify is tougher than the gang of 8.
 
Apparently the citizenship stuff is BS??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...say-he-didnt-back-faster-path-to-citizenship/

Advisers to Sen. Rand Paul say the Kentucky Republican did not, in fact, endorse a faster path to citizenship, despite many reports Tuesday morning that he had.
Many outlets, including the Washington Post, had reported Paul would back a path to citizenship in his speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, dating back to Monday evening, when the Associated Press obtained an advance copy of Paul’s remarks.
“The AP story was wrong, which spurred a lot of erroneous reports,” Paul’s office said in a statement. “He does not mention ‘path to citizenship’ in his speech at all.”
One Paul adviser told Post Politics that the path to citizenship Paul is pushing doesn’t make it any easier to attain citizenship than current law allows.
“They would get into the back of the line and get no special privileges to do so,” said the adviser, who wasn’t authorized to comment publicly. “What his plan is extending to them is a quicker path to normalization, not citizenship, and being able to stay, work and pay taxes legally.”
At the root of the confusion appears to be the difference between legal status and citizenship.
The comprehensive immigration reform plan proposed by a bipartisan group of senators led by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who like Paul is a potential 2016 presidential candidate, does include a path to citizenship.
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supermario21 said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/8/sen-rand-paul-trust-verify-immigration-reform/

For the sake of reference, this was a column Rand wrote last month on immigration.
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Hmmmm.....this part worries me.

But, as a matter of both national security and immigration policy, it is absolutely essential that we both secure our border and modernize our visa system so we know who comes and who goes on travel, student and other temporary visas. And it is vital all other reforms be conditioned on this goal being met.

Border Security, including drones, satellite, and physical barriers, vigilant deportation of criminals and increased patrols would begin immediately and be assessed at the end of one year by an investigator general from the General Accountability Office. Most importantly, and in contrast with any other plan out there, my plan will insist that report be presented to Congress for a vote. If, and only if Congress agreed that border security was progressing, then more reforms would ensue. If we can’t secure our border, and if we cannot prove we can modernize our system of issuing and tracking visas, we cannot take on the task of adding more people to our system.


What does "modernize our Visa system so we know who comes and goes" means? The beginning of a national ID card? And endorsing drones on the border? Okay, I assume they'll be unarmed and all. But DHS has been pretending that there is a 100 mile "constitution free zone" at the border. So if you live within 100 miles of the border the feds can do surveillance on your house via drone without a warrant? I know Rand doesn't support that, but considering that's the way we are operating at the moment, any such proposal has to have strict limits on how drones can be used.
 
Let's face it. His speech was crap. It doesn't lay out a clear policy. It meanders with sentences in a language i don't know, says we can't deport people, and talks about peace and love and stuff. But what's the policy? How does it prevent illegals from getting American "benefits" i.e. welfare? How does it fix any problems.

Let's get real. Giving immigrants legal status is just the next step to giving the full privliges of US citizens.


Rand's plan also creates a highly politicized, bureaucratic process over securing the border. Ironically, it will guarantee deadlock at least in the near future and the result is that practically no one will get legal status. Is Rand coming out with a cute sounding but in reality highly cynical plan? Who is he trying to win over exactly?
 
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Brian4Liberty said:
Lol! Just saw an extended segment on Fox about Rand's immigration speech. They did it. Here is a summary:

- the Jeb Bush plan is much tougher and is not amnesty.
- the "bipartisan" plan (ie, McCain, Graham, Rubio and friends) is much tougher and is not amnesty. (And they didn't name who was on the committee. Rubio is now safely disassociated.)
- Rand Paul said "default amnesty"! He's for amnesty! We tried that with Reagan, and it didn't work!


Rand may have stepped in it on this one. Where's that Star Wars "it's a trap" picture?
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Hmmm. I have no doubt you saw what you saw. But I just saw a Fox segment with Carl Cameron (of all people) providing what I felt was a very fair comparison of Rand's plan and that of Rubio. It essentially painted Rand's plan as tougher in that it provided for an additional level of border security verification (Congress) before any path to citizenship could be undertaken. He did mention the 'libertarian' aspect of Rand's plan in opposing the e-verify program (turning employers into immigration police). But he did not do so in any negative or condescending manner. Overall, guite fair IMHO.
 
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rprprs said:
Hmmm. I have no doubt you saw what you saw. But I just saw a Fox segment with Carl Cameron (of all people) providing what I felt was a very fair comparison of Rand's plan and that of Rubio.
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Yeah, that was a different segment. Carl Cameron was not in the segment I saw. It might have been Jon Scott(?) and a guest? Not sure of the Fox guy's name.
 
rprprs said:
Hmmm. I have no doubt you saw what you saw. But I just saw a Fox segment with Carl Cameron (of all people) providing what I felt was a very fair comparison of Rand's plan and that of Rubio. It essentially painted Rand's plan as tougher in that it provided for an additional level of boarder security verification (Congress) before any path to citizenship could be undertaken. He did mention the 'libertarian' aspect of Rand's plan in opposing the e-verify program (turning employers into immigration police). But he did not do so in any negative or condescending manner. Overall, guite fair IMHO.
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Is congress going to rubber stamp everything or is it going to deadlock the whole process?
 
Rand's speech was amazing, btw.

How do you not love a guy who quotes everything that he did, including Seinfield, and talks about being a bad student who got tossed from class regularly?
 
abacabb said:
Is congress going to rubber stamp everything or is it going to deadlock the whole process?
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Oh, I have no illusions about any of this. The whole thing will continue to be a mess in some respect no matter what plan is ultimately adopted. My point was only to point out the relative 'fairness' of that particular Fox/Cameron segment.
 
KingNothing said:
Rand's speech was amazing, btw.

How do you not love a guy who quotes everything that he did, including Seinfield, and talks about being a bad student who got tossed from class regularly?
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When his plan doesn't make sense and pretty much guarantees amnesty to the highest bidder (Dems or Repubs)
 
Boehner has already got a bill in the house and has teamed up with Democrats... Yeah shocking I know but he doesn't care about the GOP conference.

Rand is unlikely to get anything he wants. The fix is in and Boehner is ready to sell out as usual by passing whatever the Senate passes with a big chunk of Dem votes.
 
AuH20 said:
This speech was far too loose and fast with ambiguous rhetoric. Big mistake, but not a campaign ender certainly.
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The beauty of the filibuster and it's aftermath was that Rand was able to take a specific stance on drones that had massive support, and combined that with a red team/blue team battle. For many pundits, the red team/blue team aspect was probably more important. To the pundits and most of the masses, this was someone finally standing up to Obama and the Democrats. McCain and Graham came off as siding with Obama and the blue team.

With immigration, there's no clear cut, specific stance that will please most of the GOP, and additionally, it can easily be painted as blue team instead of red team. The media can spin this as siding with Obama.
 
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/rand-paul-immigration-89066.html?hp=t3_3
 
Brian4Liberty said:
The beauty of the filibuster and it's aftermath was that Rand was able to take a specific stance on drones that had massive support, and combined that with a red team/blue team battle. For many pundits, the red team/blue team aspect was probably more important. To the pundits and most of the masses, this was someone finally standing up to Obama and the Democrats. McCain and Graham came off as siding with Obama and the blue team.

With immigration, there's no clear cut, specific stance that will please most of the GOP, and additionally, it can easily be painted as blue team instead of red team. The media can spin this as siding with Obama.
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When it appears you are on the side of BOTH the McCain/Graham camp and Obama, you know you're doing something wrong.
 
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